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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

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  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  Chaserious

  The DF was reversed

  I wouldnt be surprised if it does result at times in lack of disciplinary action and/or lack of announcement. I was mostly commenting that I would be surprised if anyone actually succeeded in a lawsuit.

  In the US, there is actually some authority in some states for action if a church doesn't follow it's own procedures in removing a member. For example, if I remember one of the cases involved a church rule that there had to be a majority congregation vote to expel someone and the church leaders did it anyway without the majority vote. Your story sounds like it might follow those lines. Very interesting.
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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

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  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  Chaserious

  You should write the congregation' BOE and tell them you do not wish to continue as a member of that specific congregation.

  In the same letter you should threaten to take legal action against the elders if they say anything to mar your reputation with your former congregation associates.

  If you do this and they decide to DF you anyway and announce it, I highly doubt you would be successful in a lawsuit, and I am unaware of anyone who has been. Some bodies of elders, anecdotally, have decided not to make an announcement out of fear of personal liability and legal costs, but the chances of an actual successful lawsuit are slim to none.

  The simplicity of their announcements is legally airtight. They have the right to discipline members by expelling them, and if you choose not to be a member they can't discipline you further, but merely accurately announce you are no longer a member. The distinction you are trying to make between withdrawing from the local cong vs. withdrawing from the religion is not going to do anything meaningful.
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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

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  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  Chaserious

  Extracting damages from the congregations surpluses

  I realize that you believe you've come up with quite a clever loophole to the legality of DF'ing, but here is a question. Let's say someone does as you recommend, and writes a letter of withdrawal, secretly hiding it away. Then let's say sometime later, the local elders decide to DF the person, making the standard "no longer a JW" announcement.

  How exactly do you think you are going to "extract damages?" What is the exact legal theory/ cause of action that you think would be successful? Just to run off a few that seem closest, Intentional infliction of emotional distress, slander, defamation, invasion of privacy, etc. The problem is none of them would be viable. Or is there one that I missed?
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  Not on JW.ORG: Wall Street Journal : Can unhappy Jehovah's Witnesses demand return of donations to Watchtower Bible and Tract Society? Some thoughts.

  by Balaamsass2 in

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  Chaserious

  If you made a gift or loan in writing with conditions attached and deducted it on your taxes, go for it. My guess is that 99% of JWs donate (if at all) though small cash or check drops into the "worldwide work" black hole, which means you (and I) gave them permission to do whatever they want with it.
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  Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.

  by Witness 007 in

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  lindt chocalate cafe martin place in city people pressed against the glass with hands up...this will not end well..

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  Chaserious

  Is it just one hostage-taker? Wonder if possible it could be one extremist acting on his own following the calls to attack the infidels.
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  Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.

  by Witness 007 in

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  lindt chocalate cafe martin place in city people pressed against the glass with hands up...this will not end well..

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  Chaserious

  Surprised this isn't being covered much stateside. Just flipped through 6 around-the-clock news networks, none of which are covering this right now. Hoping for the best possible outcome for the unfortunate hostages who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time...
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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  Chaserious

  Azor, sorry to hear about your son. It's tough not to be bitter when you realize how much of your life you gave for the whims of the corporate leaders and how much of a grip they have on those you love. I wish you the best with your son and your family.
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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  Chaserious

  Please provide your feedback to this preemptive approach

  My feedback is that mailing a letter to yourself and stuffing it in a drawer is going to have no legal effect whatsoever. Try cancelling your gym membership that way, and see what happens when you complain about continuing to be charged membership fees.

  Filing lawsuits over being DF'ed/DA'd under their current standard practices for those scenarios is a waste of time, money and court resources.
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  This could be an interesting court case to watch.

  by JeffT in

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  http://www.christianpost.com/news/kansas-church-that-left-presbyterian-church-usa-takes-property-fight-to-court-130936/the short version: a presbyterian congregation voted to leave the presbyterian church (usa) and join a more conservative presbyterian organization.

  the lawsuit is over who owns the building.

  obviously, this is of interest to the xjw community given the recent land grab by the watchtower society.

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  Chaserious

  There was a similar dispute in the DC suburbs over a historic church property worth millions:

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/episcopal-church-owns-falls-church-property-supreme-court-lets-virginia-court-ruling-stand/2014/03/10/26a17c72-9d5d-11e3-b8d8-94577ff66b28_story.html

  The national church won, despite the congregation appealing all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court (although the Supreme Court didn't take the case).

  Most of these schisms in the U.S. recently arise from disagreements between local and national over attitude toward gays and lesbians and/or same-sex marriage. There have been other similar cases and the result has varied by state. The South Carolina Supreme court allowed a local congregation to keep the property. There are other factors involved - what type of organization the church is, and how the property is held.
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  Guess who...

  by sooner7nc in

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  ...just passed his last nursing final and is now a graduate nurse?.

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  Chaserious

  Nice job!