Mitt Romney's godless Ivy League education must have been the reason that Robertson misinterpreted God's voice telling him Romney would win the election.
Chaserious
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Pat Robertson- No miracles in the US, to Ivy League
by designs inin case you were wondering why there are so few miracles in the us these days pat robertson explains all in an interview-.
on monday's episode on the 700 club pat explained that 'sophisticated americans' don't get the priviledge of god's handy work like 'foreigners' do namely 3rd world peoples.
seems education blocks the god signal or something.
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Part 2 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)
by cedars inpart 2 of the interview series has now been uploaded to youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmewxug3kck.
for those who are unfamiliar, this is the second part of a series of videos covering an interview with candace conti and rick simons where the questions were posed by members of this forum.. questions answered in this video are.... .
(to rick, asked by hoffnung) why was watch tower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, together with more watchtower corporations, not sued as well?.
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Chaserious
Thank you for your opinion, Lisa. After the subsequent comments about the structure of the interview, such as those of Cedars and Juan, I feel that my initial observation (which I qualified as just being a potentially cynical opinion) is not indicative of anything being hidden. I still think it was an unusual way to answer the question, but I probably should not have read anything more into it. As I said, I meant no disrespect to Ms. Conti.
Mind Blown - It was very clever of you to post definitions of smarmy and unctuous and to qualify your posts by saying they are for everyone else's benefit except mine. What exactly are you accusing me of? You say I am suspect. Suspect of what? If you have an accusation to make other than disagreeing with what I said in this thread, which it seems that you do, I think you should be clear about it, instead of hurling labels and definitions around. You are correct that I have experience with law. I'm in my last year of law school and have worked for a judge and for the government. I have not hidden that in my history on this site, although I don't proclaim it in every post because I don't think that makes my opinion more valuable than anyone else's. Perhaps that is why my comment came across in a way that seemed critical to some, although I fully support Candace and her case. In law school you are encouraged to question what lawyers do and what judges decide, and to try to see more than one side to every case (although as I have said, any issues about her past mistakes are in no way another side to this case - that is entirely irrelevant to the abuse case). If you still have accusations about my motives, I hope you have something more concrete to present.
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A Visit To The Jehovahs Witnesses World Headquarters, Brooklyn Heights
by Bangalore ina visit to the jehovahs witnesses world headquarters, brooklyn heights.. .
http://www.johnbyronkuhner.com/2013/04/a-visit-to-the-jehovahs-witnesses-world-headquarters-brooklyn-heights/.
bangalore.
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Chaserious
Good link. This was an interesting observation:
"No reasonable, fair-minded, thoughtful rich man will ever get a million twitter followers like ignorant hateful twit Donald Trump, even if he had just as much money. Virtue has friends but vice has adherents. And anyone who has run an organization knows how much more useful an adherent is than a friend."
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MAJOR-Revelation Climak book critiqued
by Refriedtruth inthis is a major find and holding top ranked will get tens of thousands of hits.
get your licks in comments and vote up the good guys.
10 observations about jehovah's witnesses and the book of .... huffington post-it is argued repeatedly that only jehovah's witnesses are truly faithful to god and so they are uniquely situated to understand the contents of ....
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Chaserious
This book was a lot better than most of the other book study books for drawing in when you are a JW kid. I got in trouble for giving John some tats in the picture of him in shackles, as well as I think a flag on his head. And that was before you even get to the wild beasts, two horned beasts, and harlots. The cut and paste inserts did take a while, but wasn't that just because they finally got too lazy/cheap to make a 4th edition within 20 years of release?
And Julia, that is so true, the trumpet blasts representing WT conventions in the US is so bizarre, yet you never think of it when you're in. Can trumpet blasts include false information, like "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"? Does anyone know if that is still the current teaching about the trumpet blasts?
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Part 2 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)
by cedars inpart 2 of the interview series has now been uploaded to youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmewxug3kck.
for those who are unfamiliar, this is the second part of a series of videos covering an interview with candace conti and rick simons where the questions were posed by members of this forum.. questions answered in this video are.... .
(to rick, asked by hoffnung) why was watch tower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, together with more watchtower corporations, not sued as well?.
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Chaserious
Juan,
Thank you for the clarification. I mean no disrespect to the Contis. Although I think it has been overlooked, a main theme of my comment and responses is that that question should not have been asked and/or Simons should not have allowed her to answer it. A secondary opinion is that if they did choose to answer it, it would have been better to be more direct, although apparently I am in the lone minority in the opinion that the answer was not direct. Again, I noted that they did not actually state whether there was selling of drugs or involvement with stolen property, so I don't see how everyone can assert that she fully answered the question, although of course she is not obligated to.
So my question is why, in light of what you say here:
<<Those kinds of questions completely miss the point of the case: The women are not on trial for any actions they may have taken or events in their lives.>>
why the question about prostitution was even asked. Perhaps you cannot answer this since you said you didn't come up with the questions. I ran a google search and I couldn't find a single page on the internet linking Ms. Conti to prostitution. So who are the "apologists" even making this accusation, and do you know why it was asked?
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Part 2 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)
by cedars inpart 2 of the interview series has now been uploaded to youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmewxug3kck.
for those who are unfamiliar, this is the second part of a series of videos covering an interview with candace conti and rick simons where the questions were posed by members of this forum.. questions answered in this video are.... .
(to rick, asked by hoffnung) why was watch tower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, together with more watchtower corporations, not sued as well?.
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Chaserious
I have no need to state my credentials, because calling them into question is a cop out.
What do you mean, my concern about apologists speaks volumes? It says in big red letters in the video that those accusations are from apologists. Why would the video give apologists a voice, if the answer was not meant as a rebuttal to them? I merely questioned how effective of a rebuttal it was.
Besides, what lie is it that you keep saying I am perpetuating? Is receiving stolen goods a lie? Is selling drugs a lie? I wish I knew, and I suspect at least the stolen goods accusation is, but the intro made me want to know the answers to these questions that I didn't think much about before. Why raise questions and pique people's interest? You cannot with any degree of objectivity watch the video and find a direct answer to these questions, unless I have missed something. In which case I welcome someone to point it out.
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Part 2 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)
by cedars inpart 2 of the interview series has now been uploaded to youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmewxug3kck.
for those who are unfamiliar, this is the second part of a series of videos covering an interview with candace conti and rick simons where the questions were posed by members of this forum.. questions answered in this video are.... .
(to rick, asked by hoffnung) why was watch tower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, together with more watchtower corporations, not sued as well?.
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Chaserious
OK, Rip, you are right. Rick Simons can do no wrong and everything he does is beyond questioning.
How do you know what my qualifications are to make these observations? Usually when someone attacks the person and not the argument, it is a crutch. If you read and comprehended what I said, you would not need to put words in my mouth and make nonsense straw man comparisons between me and the WT. I clearly said in my first post on this topic that these accusations are "blame the victim" tactics.
I have no agenda other than objectivity.
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Part 2 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)
by cedars inpart 2 of the interview series has now been uploaded to youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmewxug3kck.
for those who are unfamiliar, this is the second part of a series of videos covering an interview with candace conti and rick simons where the questions were posed by members of this forum.. questions answered in this video are.... .
(to rick, asked by hoffnung) why was watch tower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, together with more watchtower corporations, not sued as well?.
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Chaserious
Cedars, maybe I'm off since everyone else seems to disagree. But what was the answer to the questions about selling drugs and receiving stolen property? I honestly want to know. I watched the video a couple of times and I couldn't figure it out. Perhaps I am missing something that you all who note that everything was answered clearly picked up upon.
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Part 2 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)
by cedars inpart 2 of the interview series has now been uploaded to youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmewxug3kck.
for those who are unfamiliar, this is the second part of a series of videos covering an interview with candace conti and rick simons where the questions were posed by members of this forum.. questions answered in this video are.... .
(to rick, asked by hoffnung) why was watch tower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, together with more watchtower corporations, not sued as well?.
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Chaserious
Show me where I chastized or blamed the victim, Rip. I'm sorry that I'm not allowed to look at this objectively and state an opinion that I think her lawyer made a mistake with the handling of that question. My point is that what they said is probably not going to satisfy an apologist who has heard these rumors but is open to having his or her mind changed. Will it satisfy the exJW community? Yes, but so what. We were satisfied already. I don't mind if you disagree with me, but I will call you out every time you keep mischaracterizing what I'm saying.
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local memorial attendance
by outsmartthesystem inso i have a friend that is still "in" because of his elderly parents.
he attended the memorial and reported back to me what i thought was encouraging.
we have two congregations in the city i live in.
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Chaserious
I think last year might have been the beginning of a decline. I suspect the decline may have started a few years earlier in the U.S. if just counting English congregations. My suspicion is that declines in English have been masked by increases in foreign language groups for a while.