last saturday, a former ministerial servant and pioneer committed suicide in the woodinville washington kingdom hall parking lot.
he was disfellowshipped several years ago, and according to the old sister that related the story to me today, he was depressed because no one would talk to him.
i don't know how i kept calm when she explained to me that "we couldn't talk to him...he was disfellowshipped.".
This is so sad! It actually made me cry...it makes you think of all the people in the world who either go through with it, or just ponder it (which is just as sad in my mind) because they have parents and friends who love Jehovah more than they love their own flesh and family...it makes me sick!
I hope everyone in that hall takes a good look at themselves
when i was a 'dub, i beleived that faith was the hebrews 11 thing, but since i have put aside that way of thinking and no longer believe god or believe the bible to be anything more than a collection of human history and philosophy, i tend to think in terms of faith being no more than the dictionary definition: .
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions.
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to god (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust.
I think one of the major things about faith that hasn't been mentioned yet is blind acceptance.
I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, I have faith the rain will eventually stop...etc. Things you witness day in and day out, or have been told day in and day out, begin to be your faith. This doesn't mean your faith can't be wrong. I think it is different from belief in that it has that feverish feeling to it. Faith is so much more commanding than to say I believe, believe sounds like there are loopholes somewhere.
But then again, I agree with Jan-Faith is a word like Love, Literacy, Truth, Honor. You'll never get the same definition from any two people.
ok first off this is the first time i have ever made up a topic.
secondly, i was reading another thread about teen development and the borgs control over adolescents, and that got me to thinking.
i dont know what anyone elses experiences were like in their congregations but 85% of the kids in my hall were home schooled their entire lives, or were taking correspondence courses instead of attending high school.
Xander I couldn't agree more!
Pricia-I always thought that "letting them stand on their own two feet" was important too. In fact as someone who had to go to public school and stand up for myself ALL the time, I was pissed that the other kids got out of it so easy!
Acutally in my public education program they talk a lot about home schooling.
But the point of my orginal post wasn't really to spark a debate over if home schooling is good or bad. As I said in my orginal post some parents and kids really thrive at it. And I agree Jewel, leaving kids alone to socialize themselves is irresponsible too.
The main point I was trying to get was how JW parents seemed to be using home schooling as the ultimate control of their kids, and an excuse for not dealing with school issues, meanwhile they had NO CONTROL of their kids, who did nothing with their studies, etc.
Now I am rambling tho...grumble grumble, do I ever have a point?
oh well, i am bored.... .
- i am an aquarius... but emotionally i am a pisces cause my chart is filled with none-other than a pisces!!!
those of you requestion charts... give me some time... working on them.... .
144 they do actually make fortune cookies like that...there used to be a website that was called badfortunecookie.com, I dunno if it even still exists or not.
I got one one time that said "your dog will be hit by 12:00 bus. When you go to pick up the corpse in the street you will be hit by the 12:05 bus." It rocked~
Has anyone noticed fortune cookies are really more statement cookies lately?
"Love is the fire within the soul" and crap like that? What up? I wanna hear about how "Buddaha loves you cuz you gots a fine Butua!"
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how do you feel?do you like to be called apostate ?.
apostate just means: someone who renounces a former belief or principle.. to people who have never been witnesses it may not symbolise much.but to witnesses the word means a lot.in many of their minds it is synonymous with evil and perverted.. since it jw's who will likely call us apostate not others the term almost always has a bad or negative useage.. but it does identify us as people who have completely rejected the religion.. so is it good for us to use it or not?
What's up with labels anyway?
I'm sure not everyone here is an apostate, just as I am sure some are very happy with the name.
Frankly I hate all labels...
i've spent a lot of time on allmusic.com and it amazes me how much nirvana is mentioned when the reviewers rate other albums.
so its a no brainer that nirvana's work should probably have a place in every rock collection, but what are some other albums every rock fan should listen to if not own.
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Path I can't believe I forgot Mazzy Star!
Xander--I'm tellin ya, Exile in Guyville ROCKS...if you are thinking of the songs they play on the radio they aren't nearly as good. Heck rollingstone even put that album on it's top 100 of all time...
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how do you feel?do you like to be called apostate ?.
apostate just means: someone who renounces a former belief or principle.. to people who have never been witnesses it may not symbolise much.but to witnesses the word means a lot.in many of their minds it is synonymous with evil and perverted.. since it jw's who will likely call us apostate not others the term almost always has a bad or negative useage.. but it does identify us as people who have completely rejected the religion.. so is it good for us to use it or not?
Well I must admit, having recently left the borg, when I was first told about an apostate website, I was a tad frightened. I mean all my life I knew that apostates were these people who stood outside the conventions, and were fanatical, and probably kicked puppies, stole accordians from blind monkeys, and hauled off bad little children in the night to be their migions of evil.
But than again the term fits in it's standard usage, if you know what it really means, and stop dealing with stereotypes and lies...guess ya just gotta be open minded, and open a dictionary.
oh well, i am bored.... .
- i am an aquarius... but emotionally i am a pisces cause my chart is filled with none-other than a pisces!!!
those of you requestion charts... give me some time... working on them.... .
Libra (September 23-October 22) : You're an airhead when it comes to money. You can't make a decision and actually stick to it to save your life! You are gullible and naive and don't learn from your mistakes. You don't care about anything and you flirt too much.This is so me--it's not even funny! Broke, I am the wishy-washiest person I have ever met, and the thing where people tell me my shoes are untied gets me everytime. However, I care about lots of stuff, and I NEVER flirt...unless I intend to carry it out.
Edited by - joannadandy on 14 June 2002 16:33:22
hi guys.
last sunday we had a visiting speaker.
his subject was the resurrection.
Who is this Moses? That I should have a Bible Study with HIM?
ok, here is the story.
i was walking with a friend of mine through this field that was surrounded by trees.
i was 16 years old.
It was a gas bubble--pay no attention to the lingering odor
