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i came to the conclusion that 1914 is false and is no more than another year in man's history, so hence we are not living in the last days prophesied by jesus.

stuckinamovement

Do you think that we are in the last days? If so why?

I really don't think we are in the last days. I came to the conclusion that 1914 is false and is no more than another year in man's history, so hence we are not living in the last days prophesied by Jesus. I think that the whole last days thing happened in the first century.

It seems like every group of people who have ever lived, thought that there was something inherently special about themselves and their era and that the end of all things would come at their time. Looking back at history there have been plagues, earthquakes, wars, "signs in the heavens" and so forth throughout history. I think that people need to have a point of reference that helps them to understand these epic events so they associate it with Jesus prophecy about the end.

What do you think?

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Difference between Religious people and Cult members ?

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in the words of rabbi shmuley........ "people who are in a relationship with g-d are humble and do their utmost to refrain from judging others.

their proximity to a perfect being reminds them of their own fallibility.

their experience of g-d's compassion leads them to be merciful and loving.

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Thanks Flipper!, I thought it was interesting that he characterized it as "worshipping a religon". Looking back at it all, that is exactly what we did. We worshipped the structure of the religion, God was ancillary to it all.

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Difference between Religious people and Cult members ?

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in the words of rabbi shmuley........ "people who are in a relationship with g-d are humble and do their utmost to refrain from judging others.

their proximity to a perfect being reminds them of their own fallibility.

their experience of g-d's compassion leads them to be merciful and loving.

stuckinamovement

In the words of Rabbi Shmuley.......

"People who are in a relationship with G-d are humble and do their utmost to refrain from judging others. Their proximity to a perfect being reminds them of their own fallibility. Their experience of G-d's compassion leads them to be merciful and loving. But those who worship a religion are arrogant and think they have the only truth. They are dismissive of other people's beliefs and maintain that advancing the cause of their religion is more important than life itself. The rabbi in Israel who recently made the strange comment that soldiers should face a firing squad rather than listen to a woman sing is a classic example of this heresy.

Those who worship their religion evince the classic characteristic of cult members. Whereas a real faith system is empowering and makes one strong and capable of operating outside their own faith community, cult members can only identify with other members of their group and require the environment of the cult in order to function. They don't have beliefs. Rather, they take orders."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/are-mormons-any-weirder-t_b_1116390.html

Well said in my opinion.

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My recap of yesterday's Watchtower study...

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...for those of you who missed it:.

ahem..... .

we are the faithful and discreet slave!

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This article was disturbing. The shrillness of the GB demanding obedience is apparent even to those who are not fully aware of the problems within the org. They made a point to single out elders in par. 16 and reminded them to humbly submit to direction. Evidently some elders are not following mothers direction like they should.

The more articles like this come out the easier it is to see that they are losing their grip on the flock.

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Lack of Elders in your hall?

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there is an upcoming study article trying to encourage men to reach out.

in my cong there are more former elders and servants than current ones.

i was looking around the other day during a meeting and could only spot one young guy who is reaching out to be an ms. the 5 elders are now running mics.

stuckinamovement

Sounds like it is a typical problem of older elders and few prospects for sucession by a younger group. I was 27 when appointed and could only stomach it for 7 years before bailing. There were a slew of us younger guys appointed around the same time. Many of them are getting really really burned out and are looking at throwing in the towel.

I know that there are many here who will castigate elders. There are a few dickheads I know that are serving as elders, but the majority that I know are good family guys who are trying to do the best thing they know how. They are tired, depressed and going through the motions. It cannot be a healthy organization when its mid-managers are burning out and jumping ship.

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Lack of Elders in your hall?

by stuckinamovement in

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there is an upcoming study article trying to encourage men to reach out.

in my cong there are more former elders and servants than current ones.

i was looking around the other day during a meeting and could only spot one young guy who is reaching out to be an ms. the 5 elders are now running mics.

stuckinamovement

Undercover you have a pm

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Lack of Elders in your hall?

by stuckinamovement in

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there is an upcoming study article trying to encourage men to reach out.

in my cong there are more former elders and servants than current ones.

i was looking around the other day during a meeting and could only spot one young guy who is reaching out to be an ms. the 5 elders are now running mics.

stuckinamovement

There is an upcoming study article trying to encourage men to reach out. In my cong there are more former elders and servants than current ones. I was looking around the other day during a meeting and could only spot one young guy who is reaching out to be an MS. The 5 Elders are now running mics.

Last years KM school emphasized that there was a lack of willing men. Just curious, what are your thoughts? Do you see the same thing? What are the ages of the Elders remaining?

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What's The Biggest Difference In Today's JWs And The Witnesses From Decades Ago?

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i believe today's witnesses lack zeal, resolve, "love" of the "truth"......just to name a few things.. years ago, witnesses were excited to knock on doors and tell people they were gonna die if they didn't accept paradise.. now, when you see jws in service, they all look zombied out.. it's a slowly dying religion that will last probably forever like an ancient rotted out tree..

stuckinamovement

Witnesses of prior "generations" really believed in their message and lived with a sense of urgency. Today it seems as if everyone has mentally checked out. The door to door work is not effective partially because of the lackluster message but also because the people carrying the message don't seem to be convinced themselves of the importance of the work. Try to sell something that you wouldn't buy and see how many sales you make.

Many of the brothers and sisters are just pretenders trying to keep their social lives intact. The conventions and assemblies are predictable, expensive, and time consuming. Watching a stream of people heading for the exits during the last talk of the convention proved to me that many people would rather get out of the parking garage quickly and avoid the traffic jam than stay for the "bounteous spiritual feast".

The whole organization is burning out and dying out. The ones who are left are uneducated, unmotivated, and lazy. The new feature in the study article celebrates the history of the organization with articles on the sound cars, the rolling suitcase and things like that. Those people back then were convinced of the truth of their message and expended themselves. It is rare to see a modern day witness with the same zeal.

There is no comraderie anymore, instead there is a culture of fear as everyone walks on pins and needles trying not to stumble their brother in word or deed. If you screw up, the elders will be on you like stink on poop. This fact deincentivizes gaining close freinds in the organization. It is safer to remain acquaintances with a shallow level of interpersonal contact and not get burned.

This organization is a shell of what it once was. Time has run out. Prophecies have failed. there is no leadership, and everyone is motivated by fear and paranoia. They have nothing to sell anymore except for empty promises generated by some tool in the writing department.

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