an uncle of mine is a lifer at the brooklyn bethel and he was recently sent to india for open heart surgery.
it's so much cheaper compared to getting the procedure done in the us it's ridiculous.
does anybody know if it's the society that pays for all this or if it's up to each bethelite's own health insurance?
The branch cut a deal with an Indian healthcare company. I had heard that heart surgeries in india cost 10% of what they cost here in the states. They are paying directly for the procedure. I remember talking to the bro who set the system up a couple of years ago.
Siam
the watchtowers unholy trinity .
most jehovahs witnesses believe that when the society appears to clearly designate a new doctrinal position on some issue, like blood transfusions, it is what they really follow and believe.
such naivete is typical of those who have never worked in a large corporation.. .
Randy, I read Zen's account about the phone call to the service dept and am confused. (probably not enough blood in my brain)
Am I correct in understanding that the society will no longer disfellowship a person for taking blood, or declare that a person has automatically disassociated themselves for taking blood? It is now a don't ask, don't tell policy? If this is true, how much liability will they have for changing the stance but not informing the congregations/ publishers? There are many people who will continue to refuse blood for fear of being dfed that will die unneccesarily.
How could they be that stupid to quietly change it without informing the congregations? Something doesn't add up. (or maybe they are that stupid)
SIAM
january 8, 1947 awake!:.
excommunication is "altogether foreign to biblical teachings.".
it's an unbiblical roman catholic teaching by which "you are looked upon with the blackest contempt... being cursed and damned with the devil and his angels.".
This is a big deal. I had some success in sharing this article with a loved one. They were stunned to see that the Society once condemned a practice that they now strongly promote. The WTS is truly condemned with their own words.
What is comical about it is, the 1947 article says that the scriptures commonly used to justify excommunication such as Matt. 18:15-19; 1 Cor. 5:3-5, 16:22 really can't be used to support the practice. Today those scripitures are the "biblical" basis for the practice of disfellowshipping. Bottom line is these clowns will twist the scriptures to support whatever the hell they want. It is all interpretation.
If you are active and fading, or are DF'ed please share the article with any you speak with. It will plant a seed.
SIAM
last year this was brought up and it was a great idea but maybe a bit too late.
do you remember the "secret signal" that was going to be used?
it should not be mentioned in the main thread, only through email and pms.
Same signal as last year Raypublisher?
SIAM
this is my first post here.
i've been a lurker for awhile but had no particular desire to join until the other day.. anyways, do you think that if wt decided to face the fact that 607-1914 is an indefensible pile of crap that has been artificially kept steaming for way too long, would it really kick off a mass exodus or anything?
in the short term the fds/gb might lose some authority, but they are hemorrhaging people anyways keeping it around (607 started me on the road to this place).. if wt stopped talking about 1914 for awhile then later killed it, blaming it on "further research" or something, and acknowledged some uncertainty in 607/587, i really doubt that very many of the r&f would think much about it.
Welcome! They are going to have to do something. The rotten teaching of 1914 and 607 is the foundation of the entire organization. Once it is wiped out they won't have any way to say that jesus selected them as the FDS and one true religion.
SIAM
Hi Ms. Growing Girl.
I know where you are coming from. It is the toughest thing I have ever done to come to grips with this fact.... The organization is not directed by God or his spirit. It is just another man made organization that has done a great job of using the scriptures to their own benefit. There are many reasons I do not believe anymore but the single biggest for me is that Holy Spirit cannot inspire false prophecy.
Its tough to swallow because like you, my whole life I had been confident that I had the truth and everyone else was wrong. Now I have to start over from scratch and sift through my knowledge and feelings to determine what is real or manufactured.
Honestly I am ok with that because now I will make choices and analyze information for myself and come to a personal conclusion that is not influenced by any twisted frame of reference based on my background in the religion or by social pressures from my friends and family in the religion.
Hang in there Sis.
SIAM
likely most poeple feel that they at times can and should be both , that is a teacher or a student.
i know i have learned and gained much insight into many things here.. but most often.
fail to make acknowledgement... not sure why i guess i hate for a person to feel i am flattering them or kissing up.
Student definitely.
SIAM
we believe that 99.9% of earths population will be soon put to death because of their unrighteousness and hatred of god.
this probably means that you wont make it.
sorry bout that.. god is using us to warn the entire world of mankind.
Sure enough- Doc it's all perspective!
we believe that 99.9% of earths population will be soon put to death because of their unrighteousness and hatred of god.
this probably means that you wont make it.
sorry bout that.. god is using us to warn the entire world of mankind.
Btt for nananana and djegghead. Fellas, or ladies whoever you are. Take a step back from your position and realize this is the stuff you believe
http://www.latrobevalleyexpress.com.au/news/local/news/general/private-prosecution-gets-thrown-out-of-court/2468225.aspx?storypage=2private prosecution gets thrown out of court.
by louis nelson.
27 feb, 2012 01:00 am.
Not representatives of the society? You report your hours to the society, the branch formally appoints pioneers and elders.
How is it possible that you can be formally appointed by an entity and yet not be a representative of the same entity?
SIAM
