Posts by megaboy

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Jeremiah 10:16, Jeremiah 51:19

by Aaron Combs in

i was curious regarding jeremiah 10:16 and jeremiah 51:19. it reads as follows (roughly, including the portion of jacob) in in over 12 different translations (i will be using the nkjv):"the portion of jacob is not like them,for he is the maker of all things;and israel is the tribe of his inheritance.the lord of hosts is his name.".

and now i will read it in the rough, hebrew translation found in any interlinear bible:.

"not (adv) like them (pro), the portion (noun) of jacob (noun), for (conj) [is] the former (verb), of all (noun), he (pro) [things] and israel [is] the staff (noun) of his inheritance (noun) the lord (noun - the hebrew word used is yahweh/jehovah) of hosts (noun) [is] his name (noun).".

megaboy

You can do some historical research on this to find out how accurate it is.

As a refrence it was understood during and around the first century that each nation had some sort of spirit governing or ruling over it, evil or otherwise. The Creator being the one who was over Israel. First century gentiles believers, especially major head figures went to Hebrews for clarification on scriptures even after the Church was formed so they still had authority.

I'm assuming this verse presents two problems for WT. It interferes with their teaching that the Son is not a God, and it also can be said that Israelites of blood decendants are his portion, so it would destroy their "JWs are the new chosen" doctrine. It simply has to go, though they have other verses they left in (probably being too stupid to understand them) that illustrate the points I brought up better.

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Pull the Plug Already...

by megaboy in

after reading and seeing so many detailings of the dealings with people in this religion, i have to wonder how to get people who are just extremely asleep.

reasoning doesn't seem like it works, there needs to be some kind of plug pull event, like the leaders doing something so uterly stupid that it causes the immediate downfall of the entire religion.

but because i am naturally curious i want to know from people who have more experience with jw structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this?

megaboy

After reading and seeing so many detailings of the dealings with people in this religion, I have to wonder how to get people who are just extremely asleep. Reasoning doesn't seem like it works, there needs to be some kind of plug pull event, like the leaders doing something so uterly stupid that it causes the immediate downfall of the entire religion. But because I am naturally curious I want to know from people who have more experience with JW structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this? I have a friend who I maybe have a yearly convo with from another country (in Asia) who is one and it just doesn't seem like any of these barrages of negative occurences are effecting their perception of the org. I mean I see so many bethel HQ stories where its pretty obvious there is no super natural force guiding the place, but still they chug along. Why is this the case?

Unfortunately to me, the only way to release a significant amount of the regular people in this cult is for some kind of "plug pull" event. I know individuals may have their own "plug pull," but I'm wondering about an overall one. I'm not particularly sure how they are still able to manage a slow death into irrelevance rather than a complete wipe out.

I'm assuming there are many who are using it as a social hub, have most of their investment in it physically as well as completely brainwashed ones. The heads seem very VERY stupid from what I've seen, so I'm confused as to how they haven't tripped over the plug to their own matrix. How would such an event effect people I wonder.

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So, is it the publicity, or act itself that "brings reproach on Jehovah's name"?

by stuckinarut2 in

as we all sadly know, a common expression used by the society and elders in cases of abuse, or scandals, is "if you talk about this, you will bring reproach on jehovah's name!".

this is uttered in order to deter making something known.. but really, if it is a case of abuse, is not the act itself the thing that brings "reproach on jehovah"?.

making it known is not the problem.. rather hiding it, or not disclosing it to authorities is the thing that brings reproach!.

megaboy

MrRoboto nails it, glad that its one of the first posts too. The use of the term makes no sense and shows how stupid these guys really are and how it really is mind control. The scriptures say that truth and righteousness is like a light that reveals all, not a shade that covers or conceals things in darkness. These morons are literally showing their followers their hand. They aren't even smart enough to be proper wolves in sheeps clothing.

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The cut back

by Akid48 in

does the cut back for 6 magazines for the year show how there losing money or just cutting back.i feel going to begging for peoples money than just chargeing money for a magazine was kinda killing money.but they do get a lot of property and they can just sell that making money.. it seems to early for me to make a full opinion on the topic i wanted to know what others think about this..

megaboy

Well I have no clue what goes on, but I'd assume that money has to be a problem now. From what I understand the higher ups are a mixture of people who understand its all BS but like controlling people, and people who are full on delusional and believe they are princes.

I'm wagering that the combination of the above creates for conditions that they are focused on financial tensions to maintain survivability. Have any people who spent time at their HQ ever come to this forum? Or is this mostly where low rank and file come? From what I've researched if you go to their HQ and have any sort of solid integrity you'd pretty much high tail it out of the religion.

Whatever the case, I doubt the org will disappear unless there is a super disaster that just forces them to close shop.

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the Book of Enoch and the Nephilim

by schnell in

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friends

i've heard all my cognizant life that angels from heaven looked upon the daughters of men, took wives, and their wives bore giants called nephilim.. i've heard all my adult life about the book of enoch and why it's apocryphal and to be avoided.. so tonight i was curious enough to download an e-book and have a look, since dothemath had the thread about rarely used scriptures and the book of jude directly quotes from the book of enoch.. if jude quotes from enoch, shouldn't both or neither of them be canonical?

if you consider jude canonical, then enoch should be too.. hey, how many fallen angels were there again?

two thirds of heaven, right?

megaboy

"Took" is so stupid, Enoch didnt pass, he just spent his time with the creator so closely he began gaining his qualities and his appearance changed to where men were afraid of him. He slowly stopped interacting with men more and more until there was no point in him dwelling in the same realm, he was a different being altogether, so the best thing was to transfer him to the realm that the creator was in. Like a butterfly has no reason to sit in the same place as catepillars.

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Reaching the most distant parts - Geoffrey Jackson praising Bible translators and missionaries as "faithful ones" or even "anointed ones"

by TheWonderofYou in

after we heard some time ago that before the time of russel there was no "faitful slave" or no anointed ones who formed a faitful slave class, now we learn that we dont know if before russel there were not "faitful ones" or "anointed".

indeed jackson says that we know the bible teaches that throughout the history there would be a large number of "sons of the kingdom" ..or anointed ones.. beginning from this month in several projects including a film about christian bible translators who gave an example of "faithfulness" and "discretness" in translating the bible, the christian bibletranslators and missionionaries who used "jehovah" by the way are receiving ultimate praise of the governing body, in the first place at the moment is shown the video about tyndale, wo so is very much supposedly a "faithful one" and perhaps even "anointed" because he loved the bible.. jackson says that those early missionaries of the christendom already "preached the message" before russell.

january broadcast.

megaboy

Lol translations are not inspired.

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Lies, and more lies.

by biblexaminer in

i have seen some discussions related to the "kingdom" book, and the recent studies, but, i didn't see the one pertaining to the second chapter of the "kingdom" book.

i may have missed it.

if i have ...mea culpa.. chapter 2, paragraph 29 & 33.

megaboy

That "Spiritual Isreal" thing was a disaster waiting to happen, did the first century consider Paul a profit? I never got that impression from him, he uses very expressive allegories but he mostly connected old testament concepts to messianic faith. Spiritual Isrealites would be an entirely new concept that was not taught by prophets.

The prophets taught the other nations coming into subjugation of Isrealites, and that their inheritance was basically them being absorbed into Isreal customs under the messiah and not being killed off.

There was a mixed multitude of gentiles that came into Isreal out of egypt (who believed under the old covenant) and they could worship with Isreal in a specific order, so it never was a foriegn concept. There was always a prophetic distinction between Isrealites and gentiles.

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Lies, and more lies.

by biblexaminer in

i have seen some discussions related to the "kingdom" book, and the recent studies, but, i didn't see the one pertaining to the second chapter of the "kingdom" book.

i may have missed it.

if i have ...mea culpa.. chapter 2, paragraph 29 & 33.

megaboy

I'm wondering back then if this was some kind of set up. How could they assume the end of the time of the gentiles? If it was the end of the gentiles times they wouldn't have authority to be teaching anything period. They're gentiles. How idiotic can you get?

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

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friends

it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

megaboy

I'm assuming a troll is not common on this site?

A beliver, lets stick to the basics.

If what that religion says is true, tell me how the creator's name was changed to Jehovah? Several letters in that name did not exist when the name was spoken in ancient times.

Its not a translation of the name because a translation would be "I am that I am." If you transliterate you spell out the sound that the name made in its original language. But there was no "J" or "V" sound in ancient alphabets.

So explain to me how you can uphold truth but your foundation for truth is in error? There is no such god as "Jehovah", its a human construct, probably one of the most recently created gods in human history. It can do you no harm if you do not attend your meetings and it can do you no good if you attend your meetings. If you cry out that name, who would be there to listen? Do you get wisdom when you pray to it? It seems you get less wise, as you become more dependent on others to make discernments for you. If anything you have coughed up more wisdom going into your temple than when you were without it.

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Whats going on with the 144000 thing? Spiritual people in the org...

by megaboy in

kind of a two fold question, use to have discussions with witnesses about the 144000 and how i didnt agree with it being spiritual because tribes are defined, also mentioned that early on in revelations that a measurement was given for gentiles and i explained that i belived that that was basically foundating that the prophecies proceeding would have nothing to do with gentiles as in they are not measured in these concerns.

never did get any decent reasoning from them on that.. but i haven't heard about that doctrine in a while or online.

granted there are a lot more messed up stuff they teach but these things gave me the impression that it would effect the org if anyone could claim to be of the 144000. are these people suppose to be spiritual?

megaboy

Kind of a two fold question, use to have discussions with witnesses about the 144000 and how I didnt agree with it being spiritual because tribes are defined, also mentioned that early on in revelations that a measurement was given for gentiles and I explained that I belived that that was basically foundating that the prophecies proceeding would have nothing to do with gentiles as in they are not measured in these concerns. Never did get any decent reasoning from them on that.

But I haven't heard about that doctrine in a while or online. Granted there are a lot more messed up stuff they teach but these things gave me the impression that it would effect the org if anyone could claim to be of the 144000. Are these people suppose to be spiritual? How are things fairing with that doctrine?

In this case I ask because I just recently saw a video of the organizations leaders dishing out their dogma and nothing about it implied that the men were spiritual. And I feel a highly spiritual person would pick up on it, even normal rational thinking people. But since being spiritual and rational dont always go hand and hand thats two opportunities to notice something is wrong. Rational people are probably long gone, but what about spiritual people? Are the videos ringing any alarm bells?

The broadcasts are stale, not full of heart at all. EVERY word is obviously carefully thought out and calculated, performances being done the same way. Its clear that every message has a distinct goal in molding the mind and is not based on encouragement or reasoning through naturalness. I'm very surprised that its not setting off major alarms significantly. These guys are obviously not spiritual.