Posts by joelbear

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NEW TRUTH! Major Prophecy Fulfilled

by trevor in

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new truth!

major prophecy fulfilled.

15th february 2001. dear brothers and sisters, 'the truth is a bright light that is getting brighter and brighter.

joelbear

if oral sex isn't better than boxing then you are doing it wrong

hugs

Joel

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i have a question for the group.. i am wondering if anyone has ever had a dedication and baptism successfully anulled.. i clearly recall that i did not answer the 2 questions when asked with the baptismal group.

i have an enormously strong aversion to lying and i knew that i was a homosexual and therefore didn't feel like i could answer the questions truthfully even though i was a virgin.. if i was never dedicated in jehovah's eyes how can i be disfellowshipped in his eyes.

i never took the vow, so doesn't that basically just make my baptism meaningless.

joelbear

I have a question for the group.

I am wondering if anyone has ever had a dedication and baptism successfully anulled.

I clearly recall that I did not answer the 2 questions when asked with the baptismal group. I have an enormously strong aversion to lying and I knew that I was a homosexual and therefore didn't feel like I could answer the questions truthfully even though I was a virgin.

If I was never dedicated in Jehovah's eyes how can I be disfellowshipped in his eyes. I never took the vow, so doesn't that basically just make my baptism meaningless. Add this to the fact that I was one emotionally screwed up 14 year old when I was dunked. I was baptized due to peer pressure. I was the only teenager in my group of friends not baptized.

Any advice on how to handle this would be greatly appreciated.

hugs to all

Joel

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Question about disfellowshipping

by MoodyBlue in

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i have a question.... if the elders "catch wind" of something that could be a df'ing offense, and they ask for a judicial, if you don't show up or refuse to talk to them, can they disfellowship u in absence??

if they can, is there any legal action that can be taken against it?.

i've been threatened by my jw husband (we are separated) because i've met someone else...he is threatening to tell the elders i'm dating someone else ( though as of yet, no "fornication" has occured and it's long distance) if i don't write a letter of disassociation.

joelbear

Hi all,

I agree with Wendy's approach.

When I left, I made an emotional decision to just let them disfellowship me. In fact, I even lied and told them I had committed homosexuality when I had not just to get the DFing over with.

I paid dearly for this mistake. I wish now that I had told them whatever it took to not have them DF me. That emotional decision has cost me a lot in the last 12 years.

I say play the stupid game. Its all semantics anyway. I am the same person no matter what three man in a Kingdom Hall library say. So I vote for making your life easy in the long run which is having no ridiculous classification attached to you.

hugs

Joel
www.joelbear.com

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What's your ethical guide?

by expatbrit in

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on what do you base your moral judgements now that you've left the wts?.

as jw's we used to allow the wt to direct us in any ethical question.

they would give us their opinion (claiming it to be bible-based).

joelbear

My thoughts are similar to anglise.

Matthew 7:12 is the simplest most straight forward ethical lesson available. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I believe that the word "others" applies to every being that is not ourselves. I define this as the difference between the self and the unself. I believe in a phenomenon which I call natural guilt. This guilt is inborn in us in order to counteract the selfish struggle for individual survival.

Anyone interested in reading more about my theories can go to my web page and click on Lifeism. Just a slight warning. I am a naturist, so there are nude pictures on my web site. These areas are clearly marked for those for who nudity might be offensive.

hugs

Joel
www.joelbear.com

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

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ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

joelbear

It is not only Jehovah's Witnesses who place Paul about Jesus. I think all religions do. In fact, I think the very formation of an organized religion betrays Jesus' whole message.

Joel

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

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ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

joelbear

English,

I am very interested in reading the book you mentioned. I couldn't find it at Amazon or Barnes. Do you have an author name?

thanks

Joel

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

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ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

joelbear

Fascinating post. As a witness I regularly had demonic dreams. Theses dreams ended about 3 years after I left. So, was I freed from the demons, or did the demons just leave me alone after they got me.

I have long speculated that Paul was anti-Christ. He was after all a very orthodox Jew. Just like Pat Buchanan joining and then destroying the Reform party, so his conservative pal could win the presidency.

Joel

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KANSAS OR OZ?

by Frenchy in

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i mean c'mon people, how long are 'we' going to vent?

i have met people who have been 'out' for well over twenty years, and they still talk about the watchtower as if they never left or as if they left yesterdayrr in a response on the thread: don't you have a single good thing to say?'.

are we perhaps all whistling in the dark?

joelbear

I post online about my experiences because I know people here understand my feelings. I will be affected by my association with the Watchtower my entire life.

It helps me to see comments of others undergoing the same struggle.

hugs

Joel

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Out of the Mouth of Babes

by deludednomore in

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we have not attended a meeting for several months.

besides one elder who keeps pounding on our door, we have been left pretty much alone.

one jw friend still talks to us regularly.

joelbear

I never thought about other people being destroyed. I don't think I every really believed that. I do remember the Armageddon picture in the old orange paradise book. But I always thought I was the one that was going to be destroyed for not being good enough.

It was such an unpleasant thought, that I soon just stopped thinking it.

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Special Assembly Day "Wisdom"

by deludednomore in

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this is my first post here.

this forum has really.

helped in my break from the organization.. .

joelbear

I always recall a 60 minutes episode I saw once many years ago about this old Catholic nun who lived in the city of garbage outside of Cairo Egypt. Her whole life was dedicated to helping these incredibly deprived people make their retched lives just a tiny bit better. I asked a friend of mine who was an elder how in the world she could be considered evil or deserving of destruction. His answer was that she was guilty by association with the Catholic Church and would befall the same fate.

hugs to all

Joel