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What hope is there then?

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if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

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How do you feel of the org's insertion of the name Jehovah into the NT?

I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand I feel that the Hebrew quotations and where context is strongly implicit make sense. On the other hand there is no proof that the original manuscripts had Jehovah's name in it. (But there is also no proof to state otherwise, since we don't have those manuscripts).

Therefore for this reason I'm undecided about the accuracy of using the name in other contexts, despite the J references. See Truth in Translation - Jason BeDuhn.

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What hope is there then?

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if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

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Here is my experience with your "loving brotherhood".

There will always be some that do not have a christlike attitude. In time they will have to answer for their behavior. They may even leave the brotherhood, or turn around.

But overall, the brotherhood is loving. Humans however are not perfect and even in the first century they had some problems with malicious slander. But would you say first century Christains weren't loving?

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What hope is there then?

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if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

sayitsnotso

What if they were given the chance to make a choice, and simply did not believe the JW's had it right? Does that make them ungodly?

That's a good question and one I have been wondering about a lot lately. I can't provide an answer to this question at this time.

UPDATE: This is where whether or not the bible is true or not seems to come into the thought process. Because God did kill back in Noah's day, people regardless of how nice, kind, or loving they may have been because they did not board the ark. If that judgement is permanant then the logic would lead to viewing armeggedon as no different. If that judgement was not permanant, then perhaps they may be resurrected again in the future? All the bible says is what will happen overall, not with individuals.

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What hope is there then?

by sayitsnotso in

if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

sayitsnotso

Start by researching the origins of the name "Jehovah". Even the Watchtower organization admits its not the Divine Name.

Well, if it's not the Divine Name - why use it?

I have no issue with not knowing the original pronounciation of YHWH, or with the fact that the vowels that are used to derive Yahweh or Jehovah are from the Hebrew word for Lord. That name still represents a specific person. The title God is vauge. The name differentiates Jesus from Jehovah. Besides, it's an english name, that is pronounced differented in other languages. It's what and who that name represents that matters.

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What hope is there then?

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if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

sayitsnotso

Destroy. Who exactly are these ungodly people? As I remember it, it's anyone who isn't a JW. So millions of decent, kind, loving, people will be destroyed because they are not JW's.

But didn't this happen in Noah's Day? Only Jehovah knows if he will resurrect those that didn't make it on the ark due to not having the opportunity to make a choice. Same goes for those today when Armeggedon comes.

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What hope is there then?

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if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

sayitsnotso

Do you have any concrete proof of these claims? I tried to do a few google queryies but could only find people claiming this. Not an actual official link.

The WBT$ owns 50% of Rand Cam..They Still do..

WBT$ could simply give back the shares to the person that gave it to them..

They won`t..Theres too much money involved..

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What hope is there then?

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if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

sayitsnotso

First how does one quote someone else in this forum (with the yellow box around the quote)?

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What hope is there then?

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if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

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PSacramento I don't mean to sound coy. I'm just trying to see your point.

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What hope is there then?

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if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

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I have something to show you:

And your point?

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What hope is there then?

by sayitsnotso in

if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.

sayitsnotso

Outlaw:

I'm not here to preach. I've read quite a lot already (jwfacts for one).

I'll take one of your charges. The fact that the WTS could have had at one time, or even still has, investments that some percentage is with companies that manufacture weapons, what does this prove? I could invest in a mutal fund and some of that money could go to the same thing. A year from now that same money could be diverted in other funds and no longer in such a company. Its not like I hand picked the companies to invest in. Not to mention that many may give in trust these types of funds to the WTS at their death. So I don't see your point here.

But I digress, the main reason for this post what the original question that resulted from my research. To me either there is a God or there isnt. If there is a God then I don't see the WTS being wrong on it's core beliefs. If there is no God then what hope do we have?