honest, humble, hungry.. .
in the ministry we are taught that only these types of people with come into the truth.. once in though, having legitimate concerns, doubts, and questions are played up as one not being honest (charges that you really want to do what you can't as a jw), not being humble (charges that you think you know better than everyone else), not being hungry (charges you don't care about the truth or your spiritual need).. explain this to me.
the person comming into the truth (and thus leaving somewhere else) would have a very similar attitute as the person leaving the truth on merits for doctronial reasons..
I guess what I am trying to say is that the three H's taught so much regarding the ministry, but then you are not suppose to really have them afterward. How is this reaonsable to anyone? How can people not realize that blind obedience (despite ugly facts about the WTS) is no different than blind obedience to the teaching of the trinity to which JWs say: well he doesn't have the 3 H's.
To JWs ugly facts = it's a mystery.
honest, humble, hungry.. .
in the ministry we are taught that only these types of people with come into the truth.. once in though, having legitimate concerns, doubts, and questions are played up as one not being honest (charges that you really want to do what you can't as a jw), not being humble (charges that you think you know better than everyone else), not being hungry (charges you don't care about the truth or your spiritual need).. explain this to me.
the person comming into the truth (and thus leaving somewhere else) would have a very similar attitute as the person leaving the truth on merits for doctronial reasons..
Honest, Humble, Hungry.
In the ministry we are taught that only these types of people with come into the truth.
Once in though, having legitimate concerns, doubts, and questions are played up as one not being honest (charges that you really want to do what you can't as a JW), not being humble (charges that you think you know better than everyone else), not being hungry (charges you don't care about the truth or your spiritual need).
Explain this to me. The person comming into the truth (and thus leaving somewhere else) would have a very similar attitute as the person leaving the truth on merits for doctronial reasons.
many argue that the truth will always be the truth because of core beliefs: no hellfire, no trinity, no immortal soul, adam and eve lost paradise (and thus paradise on earth will be restored and the need for the ransom), the issue of universal soverignty, last days, loving brotherhood, using god's name.. most people are attracted to the truth becuase of at least one or more of these beliefs and refer to these often as the 'ring of truth'.
this makes it very easy to then shrug of any of the past mistakes or any current teaching that is hard to understand or believe.
i myself am struggling with this.
For all you know we attend the same KH!
I just wish I could tell who these fellow 'cognative disoance' suffers are. To bad it would be near impossible to do that.
many argue that the truth will always be the truth because of core beliefs: no hellfire, no trinity, no immortal soul, adam and eve lost paradise (and thus paradise on earth will be restored and the need for the ransom), the issue of universal soverignty, last days, loving brotherhood, using god's name.. most people are attracted to the truth becuase of at least one or more of these beliefs and refer to these often as the 'ring of truth'.
this makes it very easy to then shrug of any of the past mistakes or any current teaching that is hard to understand or believe.
i myself am struggling with this.
I wanna ask you something
PSac, I can only tell you the WT thoughts to that sense that is all I have. Becuase I have no idea. It would talk a ton of research in that subject alone for me to give you an answer.
many argue that the truth will always be the truth because of core beliefs: no hellfire, no trinity, no immortal soul, adam and eve lost paradise (and thus paradise on earth will be restored and the need for the ransom), the issue of universal soverignty, last days, loving brotherhood, using god's name.. most people are attracted to the truth becuase of at least one or more of these beliefs and refer to these often as the 'ring of truth'.
this makes it very easy to then shrug of any of the past mistakes or any current teaching that is hard to understand or believe.
i myself am struggling with this.
As difficult as it is to realize it, it was all a fantasy.
This is what is hardest for me. All my hopes and dreams are centered around the idea that I'll live forever in a paradise. I mean everything! This is why I am having doubts about my doubts, not matter how reasonable, legitimate, and logical the "negative" doubts are. I hate cognitive dissonance. Makes me want to take another serveral month break from thinking this way.
many argue that the truth will always be the truth because of core beliefs: no hellfire, no trinity, no immortal soul, adam and eve lost paradise (and thus paradise on earth will be restored and the need for the ransom), the issue of universal soverignty, last days, loving brotherhood, using god's name.. most people are attracted to the truth becuase of at least one or more of these beliefs and refer to these often as the 'ring of truth'.
this makes it very easy to then shrug of any of the past mistakes or any current teaching that is hard to understand or believe.
i myself am struggling with this.
Ok, lets see with your brotherhood: Call 10 different JWs at least some Elders and tell them the exact questions you have posted here. Tell them you have doubts. How about sending them an email. Wait and see what kind of responses you will get. Guess what would happen? How many responses would you get? How soon until the Elders meet with you to help you with your questions..... and wait till the end of the meeting and see how you feel.
I'd love to do this but think I'd be shooting myself in the foot. Is there a more subtle way to do this that would not result in meeting with the elders?
many argue that the truth will always be the truth because of core beliefs: no hellfire, no trinity, no immortal soul, adam and eve lost paradise (and thus paradise on earth will be restored and the need for the ransom), the issue of universal soverignty, last days, loving brotherhood, using god's name.. most people are attracted to the truth becuase of at least one or more of these beliefs and refer to these often as the 'ring of truth'.
this makes it very easy to then shrug of any of the past mistakes or any current teaching that is hard to understand or believe.
i myself am struggling with this.
Do me a favor when you get a chance... click on my user name, go to "topics started" by me and read my very first thread...my very first post. You'll see yourself in my first post. Read the rest of the thread. You'll see that I was accused of being a troll. And you'll see people who sincerely tried to help.
I can say that I relate to where you were when you made your first post. I'll have to review that soon.
many argue that the truth will always be the truth because of core beliefs: no hellfire, no trinity, no immortal soul, adam and eve lost paradise (and thus paradise on earth will be restored and the need for the ransom), the issue of universal soverignty, last days, loving brotherhood, using god's name.. most people are attracted to the truth becuase of at least one or more of these beliefs and refer to these often as the 'ring of truth'.
this makes it very easy to then shrug of any of the past mistakes or any current teaching that is hard to understand or believe.
i myself am struggling with this.
But what about the idea that JWs have experienced more growth than these other religions and thus this shows they have God's blessing. Therfore they must be God's organization. This is what type of claims are made in the Proclaimers book as regards other religions or splinter-groups compared to JWs.
many argue that the truth will always be the truth because of core beliefs: no hellfire, no trinity, no immortal soul, adam and eve lost paradise (and thus paradise on earth will be restored and the need for the ransom), the issue of universal soverignty, last days, loving brotherhood, using god's name.. most people are attracted to the truth becuase of at least one or more of these beliefs and refer to these often as the 'ring of truth'.
this makes it very easy to then shrug of any of the past mistakes or any current teaching that is hard to understand or believe.
i myself am struggling with this.
Many argue that the truth will always be the truth because of core beliefs: no hellfire, no trinity, no immortal soul, Adam and Eve lost paradise (and thus paradise on earth will be restored and the need for the ransom), the issue of universal soverignty, last days, loving brotherhood, using God's name.
Most people are attracted to the truth becuase of at least one or more of these beliefs and refer to these often as the 'ring of truth'. This makes it very easy to then shrug of any of the past mistakes or any current teaching that is hard to understand or believe. I myself am struggling with this. Though I question the last days part, at least on how close the end is.
Do people every make comments about the 'ring of truth' for other religions? Is there any validiting to uses these points as showing this is the true religion? I realize there are other religions that believe many of these things. But which ones believe all of them other than JWs?
what would happen?.
aren't these three related things some of the hardest to explain to interested people?
most jws don't focus on these teachings at first and will instead focus on more appealing bible teachings.
I should clarify: drop 144,000 in the sense of it being literal.
