Posts by C0ntr013r

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How the Watchtower Screws Up Your View of Scripture

by CalebInFloroda in

while i do not argue the stand of atheism (because as a jew i find it totally logical and acceptable), i have noticed that there are odd carryover preconceptions about scripture that some hold as axiomatic about the bible (at least the hebrew texts), misconceptions that have nothing to do with the jewish scriptures themselves.. so regardless of what you may think of scripture, whether you believe it is of g-d or not, i thought some of you might enjoy a reference to see how much the watchtower teaching on scripture might still be influencing the conclusions you are making today...at least about the tanakh.

jews read their texts acknowledging the following:.

1. no scriptural concept of original sin.

C0ntr013r

CalebInFloroda

Interesting, thank you for your detailed response!

I actually thought about the JWs use of the divine name when I was "waking up". They named themselves it, they use it many times, they put it in the NT without basis and so on. It has become mundane because of it, you can even do "innocent" jokes about God using his name... And everyone uses is when they talk about JW, not uncommonly saying disrespectful things about Jehovah or deliberate pronouncing it wrong. And I guess that is one of the consequences of using it so much, they talk about not giving reproach to Jehovah's name but somehow they manage to do it themselves by using it so much... Here, people are writing things like: "jehoober" and that is probably because of the JWs over use of Jehovah imo.

So if I understand you correctly, you believe that the "name" Elohim is more holy than the tetragrammaton? Or is it different depending on what language you write it in? Or if you speak it?

“When you are praying, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard because of their many words."

Why do you think this is referring to repetition? To me it sounds more like we should mean every word when we pray. Not just say a lot of words to make the prayer "impressive".

"The repetition “as the Gentiles do” has to do with uttering divine names of deities."

Why? Could it not be that Jesus is referring to their use of; pointless word, many words or lack of sincerity?

Reading your post I could not help to wonder, do you think that the NT is accurate?

If not, how do you know what Jesus actually said or didn't say and what he actually meant?

If you do, how can you not think he was from God? He resurrected dead, rose from the grave himself etc.

Or do you think only some of it is true? In that case, how do you pick which parts to believe?

Or do you simply use the NT to point out problems with the JWs doctrines without believing a word of it yourself?

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An interesting theory on Stephen Lett

by joe134cd in

interesting theory i thought on stephen lett.

if anything i would of thought tomo3 would of caused them more grief with his comments.. http://insidethewatchtower.com/governing-body/stephen-lett-dumped-from-governing-body/.

C0ntr013r

During the RCs last part where Lett was introducing the new movie, he was giving some "spoilers" about the progression of the RNWT in my language. He jokingly said something like:

"If I tell you any more there might soon be six on the governing body"

Everyone laughed.

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How the Watchtower Screws Up Your View of Scripture

by CalebInFloroda in

while i do not argue the stand of atheism (because as a jew i find it totally logical and acceptable), i have noticed that there are odd carryover preconceptions about scripture that some hold as axiomatic about the bible (at least the hebrew texts), misconceptions that have nothing to do with the jewish scriptures themselves.. so regardless of what you may think of scripture, whether you believe it is of g-d or not, i thought some of you might enjoy a reference to see how much the watchtower teaching on scripture might still be influencing the conclusions you are making today...at least about the tanakh.

jews read their texts acknowledging the following:.

1. no scriptural concept of original sin.

C0ntr013r

Just curious, you type G-d out of respect? Because God is so holy? Why did you write YHWH, is that not much more sacred? That is after all as close as you get to the personal name of the Judeo-Christian God. Or am I misunderstanding you?

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Someone in the Watchtower writing department has a promising career in comedy.

by Island Man in

"as servants of jehovah, we are not among those who are misled.

we know that the devil is real, for it was satan who spoke to eve through a serpent.

" - watchtower, may 15, 2015, page 15, #3.. someone should do a meme depicting a nutter/paranoid/delusional character saying this.

C0ntr013r

berrygerry

Got me thinking about this pic:

JW logic at it's finest :P

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Satan Let Out After 1000 Years, Makes Sense... or no?

by freemindfade in

long before i woke up as a born in, this never, i mean never ever had any good explanation for me, or not even a bad one.

the jws seem to have an explanation for everything even if it is bat shit cray, but the logic to this i have never been given.

if you ask did god put satan there to test/tempt whatever adam and eve, the answer would be of course not!

C0ntr013r

"I would rather bind joke-hova and its filthy angels, and leave them bound forever. Let those things suffer. There would be no need to unbind them after 1,000 years. They want us all enslaved, why shouldn't they suffer forever?"

Finite wrongdoing can never warrant a infinite punishment ;)

Unless you believe in eternal hellfire....

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Satan Let Out After 1000 Years, Makes Sense... or no?

by freemindfade in

long before i woke up as a born in, this never, i mean never ever had any good explanation for me, or not even a bad one.

the jws seem to have an explanation for everything even if it is bat shit cray, but the logic to this i have never been given.

if you ask did god put satan there to test/tempt whatever adam and eve, the answer would be of course not!

C0ntr013r

Other than the idea to "weed out" the "bad" people from paradise as some sort of cleansing process, I don't think they have any reason for it. Except that they interpret the bible that way...

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Satan Let Out After 1000 Years, Makes Sense... or no?

by freemindfade in

long before i woke up as a born in, this never, i mean never ever had any good explanation for me, or not even a bad one.

the jws seem to have an explanation for everything even if it is bat shit cray, but the logic to this i have never been given.

if you ask did god put satan there to test/tempt whatever adam and eve, the answer would be of course not!

C0ntr013r

If I remember correctly, the "explanation" was that Satan is going to test everyone one last time when everyone is "perfect" just like he tested Jesus. We have to stand firm like he did and prove that we are worthy, because there wont be any excuse like sinfulness or such.

All the people who died through the ages and are being resurrected, who never learned about the JWs, also need to have their faith tested.

Satan will get one last "chance" to deceive the nations??? And then the universal "issue" will be resolved once and for all...

Yeah, pretty crazy stuff...

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Someone in the Watchtower writing department has a promising career in comedy.

by Island Man in

"as servants of jehovah, we are not among those who are misled.

we know that the devil is real, for it was satan who spoke to eve through a serpent.

" - watchtower, may 15, 2015, page 15, #3.. someone should do a meme depicting a nutter/paranoid/delusional character saying this.

C0ntr013r

"Dude the watchtowers lately I feel my mind is getting raped, maybe its because I am so awake, but the cult stupidity and worthless dribble seems at an all time high. Its really bad"

Ikr, this is just so ridiculous and hilarious xD

They are not mislead because they believe Satan exists.

And they believe Satan exists because they "know" Satan spoke through the serpent. (probably divine inspiration.. Err... I mean... "guided by holy spirit"...) ;)

And they "know" that Satan spoke through a serpent 6000 years ago because Satan exists? ROFL

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Someone in the Watchtower writing department has a promising career in comedy.

by Island Man in

"as servants of jehovah, we are not among those who are misled.

we know that the devil is real, for it was satan who spoke to eve through a serpent.

" - watchtower, may 15, 2015, page 15, #3.. someone should do a meme depicting a nutter/paranoid/delusional character saying this.

C0ntr013r

Don't you know that this is the number one evidence for Satan's existence?

Probably the same "scriptural reasoning" they based this fine magazine on....

Nice find! xD

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Evolution and Man Where are We Going?

by D wiltshire in

evolution and man where are we going?.

i feel evolution is still happening to man not so observable.

in his physical appearance but very outstandingly in the brain.. here's an observation of mine, and others: first let me quote amazing records strongly suggest that civilization goes back over 10,000 years.

C0ntr013r

Just to clarify. Evolution is based on favorable traits being passed on because they have better chance of reproducing, while creature with bad traits die before they can have any offspring.

Human society today takes care of people with "weak bad genes" so they can still reproduce. The strong genes have no considerable advantage when it comes to reproducing. So the evolution of the human species have pretty much stopped. We might still take humanity future by "upgrading" the human body technologically but it is not really "evolution". For evolution to "work" we would have to stop taking care of the weak and sick, so for better or worse there is no biological human evolution atm.