Thank you everyone....I really appreciate the wonderful advice and the good humor. I think I will poke him in the eye. LOL. I will come back and type more, My wonderful Daughter wants me to check out her messy room. She also just brought me a dead lady bug that she found in her room that is 14 years old....she counted the spots....she said it died from old age. Gotta love her.
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Hubby is concerned with me being on this site.
by crazy2try inmy husband and i have been fading for sometime.
we did attend the memorial this year with his parents.
we have had quite a few heart to heart conversations about us leaving the witnesses slowly.
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Submission and stupid rules
by Lady Lee inwhat a load of crap this stupid belief was.
i'll give you a couple of examples.
i was the sign language interpreter for our congregation and there was about 15-20 deaf who regularly showed up.
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LOL...Misery are You joking? I just saw that other post that says you are being sarcastic!
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Submission and stupid rules
by Lady Lee inwhat a load of crap this stupid belief was.
i'll give you a couple of examples.
i was the sign language interpreter for our congregation and there was about 15-20 deaf who regularly showed up.
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Sorry Misery I don't agree. Women call it like it is and they protect their little ones. Not something the society can say they do well.
I have been around a lot of men all my life and feel that Men are just as emotional and judgmental as any women. They are just quieter and more aggressive about it.
Besides that JW's have taken so much of the loving, kind emotion out of worshiping God.
Many of the older sisters are wiser then a lot of those 25 something elders or even those stuck in the mud older elders. And the mothers have a big perspective as to what life is really like for our children, real issues. Not something most of the men can claim, that don't have any time to even chat with their wives or children. (yes I was an elders brat)lol
I just don't see why it isn't mixed up a bit. They would get the strengths of both sexes.
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Hubby is concerned with me being on this site.
by crazy2try inmy husband and i have been fading for sometime.
we did attend the memorial this year with his parents.
we have had quite a few heart to heart conversations about us leaving the witnesses slowly.
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My husband and I have been fading for sometime. We did attend the memorial this year with his parents. We have had quite a few heart to heart conversations about us leaving the witnesses slowly. I know that I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I was raised a witness, where he was not. I think for me it is more of a difficult journey. He didn't know that I had joined this site. I haven't hidden it from him, but if you knew our work schedule you could understand why. Anyways, he looked over my shoulder the other night and I explained to him what this site is and how I have been using it to express some of my thoughts and how I have been feeling. He didn't like it. I think it was the first time that he realized that we would be considered Apostate for our true thoughts and feelings.
I was a bit surprised by his reaction and need to take it into serious consideration. I am afraid that he is going to start pushing to attend meetings regular again. He was always the stronger in the faith between the two of us. I have a lot of love for God, but not the man made ideals. I keep picturing Jesus walking into the hall and tipping over things like he did at the temple or calling the governing body hyprocrites.
I can't go back and pretend. I won't pretend, I am not a liar. But honestly I may be just jumping the gun on this and my fears are coming out. We have a great relationship and we have grown up and together all these years.
I appreciate that I can come here and talk about these issues with others who have lived through this and understand what it is like. I know even talking to close friends who are on the outside----they just don't get it.
I also appreciate that I can read what others are going through or thinking about. But I just got to keep it simple. Anyways, just rambling now. I hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.
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Submission and stupid rules
by Lady Lee inwhat a load of crap this stupid belief was.
i'll give you a couple of examples.
i was the sign language interpreter for our congregation and there was about 15-20 deaf who regularly showed up.
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I must have been about 19 when I brought a kid I knew from my school to our hall. He had known many of us JW kids for years and had finally asked to come and see what it was like at our hall. Since I as a female would never ride in a car with a male. I spoke with my parents and they agreed that we would go and get him. Nice kid, very slow though. He lived and worked on a farm. When we picked him up, he was grateful and happy to join us. My Dad (who was an elder at the time)spoke lively with him and we had a nice drive to the hall.
Upon walking into our recently new quickbuild hall, I introduced him to several elders and friends. They all greeted him warmly. But he jumped suddendly, I looked behind him and there was Elder Mr Clean up hitting the back of his feet with one of the push brooms that picks up dirt as it rolls. I realized my friend had walked in and left a light dirt trail on the carpet. I gave the elder a nasty look. He made a rude comment and walked off. I apologized to my friend.
I guess it is a good thing that he never metioned the hall again or asked to come back.
Later that same Elder pulled me aside and told me that he didn't appreciate me giving him a nasty look. I was stunned. I couldn't stop thinking about how rude he was to do that to anyone, let alone someone who was not from our hall.
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Since Leaving "The Truth" Are You Really Happier?
by minimus inwitnesses say that when people leave "the truth", they get involved in a debauched life, misery, and general unhappiness.. they give experiences of some that left the "sweet fellowship" of the "brotherhood" and the awful results because of it.
then, they come back and their lives change 100% for the better!.
have you found life to be miserable and unproductive since "leaving jehovah"?.
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I am more content with myself. I don't feel stressed, guilty about service and attending meetings. I have accepted that I needed to leave and am still figuring out a lot of things. But I feel like I have released a weight that was pushing on me from all sides. I struggled with leaving for over 10 years, and in the last 2 have been made it a commitment to get out. I am much happier, but somewhat in limbo. Friends of mine that have know me for years say that I seem much more relaxed. I feel that way too.
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Were You Ever Counseled Because Of What You Wore (or didn't)?
by minimus inafter reading the thread about what is acceptable to wear and not wear in a factory run by jehovah's witnesses, i wondered whether any here ever got counseled or in trouble because of their fashion sense or attire.
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goodness....some of this is so funny.
Over the past two years of our fading, I have allowed my son to grow his hair the way he wants. It is now pretty long, it covers his ears and touches the collar on his shirts in the back. We attened the Memorial and nobody said anything to us. I am sure they were talking about it later.
As far as our clothes when I grew up. There was a lot of counsel from the stage about modest dress. But I found that there were several people in our hall who wore some odd stuff and still do. I admired them for their choices and not conforming to the JW norm. The hall I attened was pretty strick on hair styles.
I married and moved out West and found that the hall we attened was not as strict when it came to the Hair. I realized it was a matter of who was in the halls and who really cared. I always made sure that I didn't have to much leg exposed, but I wore those tight dresses that had the slit and I cn guarantee you that when my JW boyfriend was looking I let him take a peek at my thigh. I love to watch his eyes light up. Goodness that was a long time ago.
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If someone is benefitting from being in a cult, should we leave them there?
by Confuzzled inif scientology has narcanon, and it has gotten people off drugs (although that 85% sucess rate they say they have is suspect), and becoming a jw sorta forces you into line, would it make sense to leave someone in if they were helping them?
if you knew somebody was a drunk, sex addict, drug addict, what have you, and they were studying, and it appeared that they were actually being helped (albeit by twisted means) would you leave them be?
like, if uncle jim was a fall down drunk that ran around on his wife, then someone introduced him to the wts, and it all stopped, would you still try and expose the cult even if they were actually helping and it was working?.
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I know many would disagree, but the thought that people trade one addiction for another is very true. I work with many people like this and I hear all the time that they have found a type of religion and are very zealous in their new faith. Something I hear all the time is that they traded their addiction.
I figure if they are happy, leave them alone. But if they express some discontent then help, but not push.
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question about judicial committee meetings
by peaches ina couple of young people about 20years old,,,,were involved with each....they went too far with the being alone situation....not sure if they reported themselves or some one else did...reguardless.....i guess the elders asked both of them extremely embarrassing questions and very very personal ones...like what kind of underwear she wore,,,,,did she have an orgasm.....etc etc..... i do not understand why this is done?????
they went too far,,,acknowledged it,,,,met with the elders...why the deep personal questions??
they already had all the information they needed...... i should know these things,,,being in the borg for 30 years...but i don't,,,i really do not understand why????
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As a young teen, I was in a situation similar to your friends. I was asked these sort of quesitons and answered them. I felt really lucky at the time though, my father who was an elder sat in the room with me. He had asked me these same horrible questions before the meeting, but sat quietly while I answered them in front of the other brothers. It was horrible. But I lived through it. Later my dad told me that he was proud of me for keeping it together during that meeting.
I am sure there are alot of others here who were asked those type of questions.
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At a 2 day assembly ...the point that the brother spoke about that drove me mad....."don't hug your husband, wife or child during prayer".
by crazy2try ini attended one day of a two day assembly and did ok until the very last talk.
the brother was from bethal and well jw's pay closer attention to their talks, cause that is when some new info is given,,,right.
well anyways i lost focus and began to daydream, cause it became one of those talks that just talks about wasting time.
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Dacheech....Sorry to hear about your wife.
I think for some people it takes a lot to help them see the control the society is trying to have, get, maintain. My feelings are, God and Family are the two most important things to me. I would never grope my husband at the hall, but have always maintained warm respectful contact with my husband. One arm wrapped around his back and vice versa. Holding each other's hands, and then reaching out to place my hand on my son or daughters shoulder.
Like I said, I was very angry about it. I had several thoughts, but one that I think JW's need to consider, is that now, during their prayer they have to be mindful on not touching their loved one, feeling guilty if they do, or thinking about how much they don't care about this rule if they choose to ignore it. So what do they get from the prayer then?
I know I have seen other rules that bothered me in the past, but this one hit the nerve. I wanted to stand and yell out "How dare you tell me how behave during a prayer?" If I want to silently dance like a monkey, I will do it. It is senseless to hand out rule after rule. It creates so much crap....like what Crisis of Conscience was talking about. There are more important things to focus on. But for me I wanted to focus on the postives as a witness, praising God more, but well.....each meeting I attened was a let down. Where is the praise?
I think someone asked if they talked about Facebook at this assembly? They did, they said it was a timewaster. Which I agree, but I love it anyways.
I came home that night and told my husband about what was talked about at the end of the assembly. He got as upset as I did and really didn't believe that it could be true. He had trouble understanding why they would even end a assembly that way. But my in-laws verified it when he asked them. They don't like it either,but still keep going.