elders are not allowed to bring tape recorders to elder school or elders-only type meetings.
elders can only take hand notes, usually inside the wide margins inside the elder's book.
i think the watch tower society is hanging the elders out to dry.. 1) being an elder is an important job, let's face it.
It was at my last KM School that a light bulb went on in my head.
The brother from Bethel gave a talk where he related a story of meeting one of the Governing Body members in the elevator.....a conversation ensued......and the GB member said "..........you know we just guess at it all and see what happens?"
He said it right from the stage.
I remember closing my Flock book and just staring in disbelief.
i wanted to dedicate this posts to just talking about the emotional scars we all have had or maybe still have.
was there a gap of time between you thinking you didn't want to continue and actually, consciously, deciding to no longer continue as on of jws?
it's amazing to me the strong hold this religion puts on you.
My truthful response?
RAW ANGER
I want a piece of someone's @$$ ..... and even my fellow elders in the are know it.
I just came to the realization today, ;......after finishing Captives of a Concept.... that I was one of those JW's that knew nothing about my religion. That I have been in a cult for 37 years. Nonetheless, I was marched on to stages big and small to teach others for years. All the nagging doubts I had about a lack of love were my gut telling me to RUN and get my family out with me. Unfortunately, they are still in.
I've even gone to a therapist to do something with all my anger. A wasted youth.....skipped an education.....a torn apart family. The time putting up with disrespectful, mentally ill District Overseers. The list is long.
My emotion.....is anger. Then I get super tired........and I realize I'm frozen. I just sit here looking out the window. No friends. No social life. I'm completely lost..........and have no idea what to do about it.
you may remember my recent experiance with two jw's at my door.
they lied non stop to me and even when i pointed out their lies they still did not tell the truth.. do they really think that they will win people into their cult by lying to them?
don't they think about what will happen when the person finds out they have been lying to them?.
They lie all the time.
6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.”
Organization, blood, beards, oral sex, dates, "generations", observances, school activities, holding your mate while praying at the Kindom Hall.....on and on and on and on and on and on and on............
They justified it in their minds a long, long time ago. Then they pull people in for 2 meetings a week to pound it into their heads.
hey guys, i'm compiling some hard drives full of films and tv series.
i've come to a bit of an impasse.
i've got hundreds of films, with all the obvious choices.
Here is my list of must haves:
aaaaggghhhh!!!
it's the co's visit this week at "my" hall.
i've been dreading this week and now the nightmare is starting to unfold :s the co just called wanting to know how i'm doing.
People!
You're not required to answer the phone or the door!
I live by the following policy: if the number calling doesn't come up with a name on caller I.D....it doesn't get answered.
Take control...... they only have as much control as YOU give them.
i was shocked ( though i probably shouldn't have been ) when reading the new elders manual concerning whether elders have to confess up about former sins from a few years earlier.
notice this on pg.
38 , paragraph 19 : it states, " if it comes to light or an appointed brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past : the body of elders may determine he can continue to serve if the following is true : the immorality or other serious wrongdoing occured more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned.
Ah yes.......the infamous OCTOBER 1972 QUESTION BOX in the KINGDOM MINISTRY
That is where that is lifted from. Almost NO elder....NONE.....even know of it......or they wouldn't deal with people the way they do. They would turn publishers way due to how 'long ago' there sin was........
I used this ONE reference a million times..........with other elders.........they would be astonished........they knew NOTHING about it. And it was highlighted at KM School and in a BOE letter. I know.....I taught it.
No double standard, right? These same guys would then DF someone for fornication from the 1980's.........it is one of the single most disturbing references that moved me to the door..........
unity identifies true worship........ comments on these 3 paragraghs.
7 the one source of spiritual instruction first-century christians enjoyed unity because they all received encouragement from the same source.
they recognized that jesus was teaching and directing the congregation through a governing body, composed of the apostles and older men in jerusalem.
WOW.....those are some ballsy quotes in this weeks WT. Thanks for posting...........I plan on sending these to a couple of 'on the fencers'......
Does this mean everything they have been wrong about was actually Jehovah that was wrong????
Wow.
is it me..........or ............uh........wth?????.
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I'm just wondering if anyone knows if one of the band members has a history with JW's...... this is an obvious shot
is it me..........or ............uh........wth?????.
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Thanks Open Mind.....I'll read that now......wow
i just did a 'quick' search and 'marital due' doesn't appear to have made the 'list' of issues addressed in the ks!.
did i miss something?????
shouldn't the blantant repeated refusal (not justifiable under illness, ability, or discernable reason) be an issue addressed?.
2 Corinthians 7 is one of the most widely ignored chapters by JW's..........'sisters' can just stop having sex with their husbands without any recourse......no one will touch it with a ten foot pole.
Then they wonder why the other party cheats or gets involved in porn. Then the sister shows up at meetings crying and everyone feels sorry for her. Meanwhile, very few publishers know that the guy have been in a sexless marriage for many years.
Oh well........its all Bible Ala Carte.....choose what we want, ignore what we don't. In my opinion, the JW's biggest sin by far....
