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http://www.network54.com/realm/present_truth/truthlinks.html
for those interested in bible student research and the teachings of c.t.russell.
onacruse,we must have been posting at once
yes my daughter loves it here!!
If you e-mail her a pic of you and your bride she will draw you an anime style portrait
It's almost 4 am...Off 2 bed....
Nite nite
Agape,
U_R
Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 7 January 2003 4:58:19
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http://www.network54.com/realm/present_truth/truthlinks.html
for those interested in bible student research and the teachings of c.t.russell.
I thought I would post some answers to other questions I asked at the time.
They are very nice and respond quickly and politely.
If it wasnt for some things at Quotes I read I might have tried them.
Still finding ones own way is a bit more adventurous.
Hope this helps
Ciao 4 now
U_R
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Dear friend:
Christian greetings.
Thank you for your patience. Below are your questions and our replies.
<< I Was Wondering Where You Ever Part Of The Same Group As JW's And If So What Caused The Rift? >>
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actually, the Bible Students were formed first in the 1860s, the Jehovah's Witnesses are an offshoot of the Bible Students. Although they will tell you differently, simply because they run the Watchtower Society and the Bible Students were at one time supportive of the Watchtower Society until around 1917, when it was reorganized and the new management began publishing a theology we did not accept.
In those days although the Society served as the main publishing house, there were actually several publishing houses the Bible Students used. When we opted not to support the Society and distribute their literature, we began publishing our own. Today the Society acts not only as a publishing house, but as God's true organization, such was not the case prior to 1917.
<< Do You Do The Ministry Work As Jesus Prescribes....2 by 2? Or Is It More Informal....As The Apostle Paul Did Allot Of That As Well As Formal. (So I Understand Anyway.) >>
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Our ministry is mainly a personal one, more informal. However we do public witness also. Door to door, street witnessing or what we call "tracting". We have public showings, and conventions. We have several radio and television programs and aired regularly.
<< Do You Believe In The Trinity? And Use The Cross? Or Are You Devoid Of Such Beliefs And Focus mostly On The Persons Of Christ And Jehovah? >>
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We are non-trinitarian. And although the cross may be seen in pictures on our publications, we do not worship the emblem, it is merely a logo. Preferring not to make a big issue of it as some do. Fact is there is as much data to support Jesus dying on a cross then there is of him dying on a stake.
<< Do You Use Gods Name As You Would A Friend? Or Just Formally Use His Title?Or Even Both? >>
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Jehovah is our heavenly Father, and we refer to him a such. One would not call their Father by his name, would they? Although we use the name Jehovah in our publications and even in our witnessing efforts, we do not over use the name like some do. Jesus is very real to us and we pride ourselves on having a personal relationship with him. After all, he is our elder brother. We do not practice tithing, there is a contribution box and if one wished to support the work, one may do so. There is never a request for donations, preferring to leave it in the Lord's hands.
<< Also...How Many At This Time Are In Your Faith? Are You A Large Group? Or Small? >>
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That is a difficult question, as we do not take role call or keep track of our members like the witnesses who keep files on each member. Sme classes are as small as two or three, others are as large as 200. Most classes are small, and meet in private homes, [house churches] many meet in rented halls.
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http://www.network54.com/realm/present_truth/truthlinks.html
for those interested in bible student research and the teachings of c.t.russell.
Onacruse,
I wrote and asked the bible students about the holocaust and this was their reply: Dear Friend: Christian greetings. Unfortuantely, the Witnesses in Europe, particularly in Germany adopted the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" in the 1950s, up till then they were called "Ernest Bible Students", thus confusion with the independent BIble Students. Although the holocaust museum is aware that there were two Bible Student groups persecuted for their beliefs, they ave not made any chnages. Some of those listed as "Jehovah's Witnesses" are actually Bible Students, persecuted for their Zionist views. Hope this helps! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To me this is most insidious. I think the WTBS has enough martyrs without stealing others for their roster!
I am sure RR can fill you in on more.
Ty for listening.
Agape,
U_R
For your bride.....
You know Giz bebe I have never liked that song!
Para ti....
Agape,
U_R
Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 7 January 2003 4:30:56
well....got a call from an elder in my hall yesterday.
they are wanting to come visit and wanted to set up a time.
i put it off citing family issues.
Dang Wolfy,
Im so sorry.
I dont know you well. Do you have a lot of fam in The Truth?
You know I never imagined Id be the one dissed in my fam but I am.
The children and I always had a plan for if one of us did get dissed. We read and read on the subject and found loop holes to make sure we could always speak.
Thing is your fam has to be willing to do this.
Your wife how can she be blind to the fact that you could get dissed?
The time I was there I saw some unjust disfellowshippings. I knew it was possible.
My children and I had always discussed what to do if one of THEM (notice not me) decided they didnt want to be JW anymore. We always had a plan.
Still we are blesses as we are the only JW in our family.
There are the other issues, as we didnt associate with Worldly family for 15 years. Still Family is forgiving. So slowly we get back in touch.
I have been crying a lot on this board as I try to figure out whom these people are that REALY cut their family out 100%!
((((((hugs))))) Wolfy and keep your chin up.
The inquisitions will continue.we cant stop them.
Your wife has been with you so far. So I believe you and she will make it through the interrogations of the CCM!
Take care,
Real Agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
Have a beer take a deep breath and relax......
must follow law.
then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the lord jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence.".
--2 thessalonians 2:8. must not follow law.
Elsewhere youre hilarious.
Youre going to get a whole bunch of people explaining this to you and you already know the answer.
You crazy atheist you!
By the way, I love how you kept up on your bible even though you're not a believer.
Makes your posts, especially interesting.
Kick back have a brew
Ciao 4 now,
U_R
Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 6 January 2003 21:50:14
passing this on.... mental terrorism.
i am writing about a danger which is very real.
there are people, who may be grieving, who may be suffering from depression, who feel an emptiness, who feel a spiritual longing, who want hope in a world that seems hopeless, and others who are very vulnerable to this danger.
Geddy Lee,
Please retract your post here about Happy man.
You dont know him and he is a very nice person.
He does think for himself and so far has chosen to be one of Jehovahs Witnesses.
Thats his right.
His English is bad but that does not make him unintelligent.
His statement here about Hell is a good one.
I have a cousin who is Missionary Baptist and when I was JW and visited her we had a discussion about Hell.
She was so upset I believed so many people would be resurrected who did not believe in Jesus. She wanted them to burn in Hell and I found that very unloving. I still do.
I am not saying that is what Dog Patch believeswhat I am saying is, is that is a good question to ask another person about their beliefs. Also, war. I appose war. I like how Quakers were. Wouldnt kill their fellow man for any reason but, If their fellow man was hurt because of war they would give medical assistance or feed hungry soldiers of both sides.
While JW many of us had our Freedom taken away. So we should not want to hinder others Freedom to speak by making fun of them.
How could making fun of a Jehovahs Witness ever make them think or take credence in anything an Ex-JW would have to say?
Now please, be a nice Rock Star and retract your mistakenly spoken words.
Thanks ahead of time,
Utopian_Raindrops
For my friend in The Great White North.....
P.S. Dogpatch I like this letter. Thanks for posting it. Tell us how is it you wish people to help with this cause?
How can ex-jws make it so there is more freedom in the WTBS. Or is the point to just bring down this religion all together?Give us your take on it please. ty
Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 6 January 2003 20:33:23
could apply to one's relationship with a controlling, abusive organization, too... reckon?.
codependent (ko'di-pen'dent).
adj.. of or relating to a relationship in which one person is psychologically dependent in an unhealthy way on someone who is addicted to a drug or self-destructive behavior, such as chronic gambling.. codependent with you (mp3, 3540 kb).
Glad you like Saliva COMF.
Always is one of my fav songs.
This was an interesting thread.....made me think..
Grasias amigo.......para ti..
Agape,
U_R
Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 6 January 2003 19:23:42
" i wanted to cry but i was too numb inside.
several days went by, i had my judicial hearing (i think that was sunday), they told me that i was going to be disfellowshipped.
i accepted that i deserved that.
Truth2Me,
It is after 3:00am here and I am off to bed also,
But I had to let you know I am praying for you sweety.
Still as about this man in your life I think you said it best, I can't handle being pushed away again......I've been through to much
You need to heal and he doesnt even consider your feelings. If you keep getting physically cut in the same spot over and over never allowing for healing it will get gangrene.
Let your heart and mind heal before taking on another relationship.
As for friends as capone said this board is full of people who care about you.
So take care for now sugar and if you want a more personal talk e-mail me.
(((((((hugs))))))
Dont worry and relax
Our prayers are with you.
Agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
Para ti......
my mom was recently emailed this pic by a jw family member.
it was taken at an assembly around 1965 or 66. so, she was in her early 20's.
check out that dress!
Oh BG,
Your mother was absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!!
I can tell she was a wonderful mom too as your so PROUD of her!
Thank-you for sharing her with us. Shes a vision of loverlyness.
(((((hugs)))))
Agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
Para ti..
