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CHILD ABUSE
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Honk if you love Jesus.

by lulu in

i bought it and put it on my back bumper and i'm glad i did.

what an uplifting experience followed.

that bumper sticker really worked!!

Utopian_Raindrops

Matthew 12 :: New Living Translation (NLT) 32 Anyone who blasphemes against me, the Son of Man, can be forgiven

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Isn't that strange?

by Eppie in

jw
friends

isnt it strange that within the jw religion (or as i like to call it after reading so many posts here: wbts religion) there are so many differences?

it seems as if they are very similar in their ways all over the world but when you look at it is not always the case.

on the website: www.disfellowshipped.org (as recommended by someone on this site) i found the following sentence:

Utopian_Raindrops

Eppie,

There is usually one individual who cares in every cong…..sometimes not..but usually at least one.

Thing is…is one person cannot carry a whole cong and so all the stories of heartless situations that occur.

In one cong I was in there was only ONE caring Elder! The poor guy trying to help each member in a loving way…running from this family to that…this single mom to the other!

He eventually had a heart attack! I’m not joking.

At the same time in the same cong since one caring elder is not enough I know of at least 7 single mothers who fled that cong and 3 who ended up homeless!

I know of a fatherless young sister who was dissed when mercy should have been offered and elderly who sit at home alone with NO visitors…..all this in the same cong this one poor Elder was running around in trying to help.

In another cong I attended with lots of young people full of youthful energy there was only ONE sister who opened her house for the kids to hang out at and have parties etc.

She kept trying to get someone else to pick up the ball but NO! No one wanted to help keep the kids with any normal activities….there was just this one sister.

Another cong I was in is BIG on parties and gatherings BUT very bad a charitable works for their widows, orphans, and just plain down on luck JW families.

So these same people who will smile at you and ask you to come to a party will at the same time let you starve to death and go homeless!! I know of some elderly couples who fled this cong as well as some single moms.

So you see Eppie you are right each cong is different so that is why you hear such conflicting stories.

Still at the same time EACH cong does not have a clue on how to be a good neighbor and truly help their Brothers and Sisters through trials and tribulations.

Drunk or not this was a good thought you posted…..really got me thinking!

Gotta Luvz yaz Sugar,

Utopian_Raindrops

P.S. I try to use Father In Heaven much more Then Jehovah now….but yes…I still have that same reflex.

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Need help!

by RR in

i need some help on the watchtowers view of the internet.

if i am not mistaken, the society has stated that jw's should not have websites because the society has their own website or something to that effect.

anyone know where that can be found or anything related to the jw's not having sites?

Utopian_Raindrops

*** km 11/99 pp. 4-5 Use of the Internet—Be Alert to the Dangers! ***

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Noticeably, there have been a number of individuals who have created Web sites ostensibly to preach the good news. Many of these sites are sponsored by indiscreet brothers. Other sites may be sponsored by apostates who wish to lure unsuspecting ones. (2 John 9-11) Commenting on whether there is a need for our brothers to create such Web sites, Our Kingdom Ministry, November 1997, page 3, stated: "There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovah’s Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site [www.watchtower.org] presents accurate information for any who want it."

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Study Aids via the Internet? Some have felt that they are rendering a service to the brothers by posting researched information in connection with various theocratic activities. For example, a person may do research based on a public-talk outline and then post this, thinking that such information will benefit those who need to prepare the same outline. Others will post all the scriptures for an upcoming Watchtower Study or provide source material for the Theocratic Ministry School or the Congregation Book Study. Some may offer suggestions for field ministry presentations. Are such really helpful?

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The publications provided by Jehovah’s organization stimulate our minds with upbuilding thoughts and train us "to distinguish both right and wrong." (Heb. 5:14) Can we say that this is achieved if others do our research for us?

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The Beroeans were spoken of as "more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica." Why? Because "they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so." (Acts 17:11) Although Paul and Silas preached to them, they could not make the truth their own without becoming personally involved.

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Using another person’s research for a talk or for other meeting preparation really defeats the purpose of personal study. Is it not your desire to build up your own personal faith in God’s Word? Based on personal conviction, you can then make public expression of your faith—in your talks, in comments at the meetings, and in the field ministry. (Rom. 10:10) Using another person’s research does not fit the description given at Proverbs 2:4, 5 to personally ‘keep seeking and searching for the very knowledge of God as for hid treasures.’

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For example, when looking up scriptures in your own copy of the Bible, you can briefly review the context of each scripture. You can ‘trace all things with accuracy,’ as did Luke when he wrote his Gospel. (Luke 1:3) The extra effort will also help you to be skillful in looking up scriptures in the ministry and when giving talks. Many have stated that they are impressed with Jehovah’s Witnesses because they know how to use their Bibles. The only way that this can apply to us is if we make it a practice personally to look up scriptures in our own Bibles.

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Need help!

by RR in

i need some help on the watchtowers view of the internet.

if i am not mistaken, the society has stated that jw's should not have websites because the society has their own website or something to that effect.

anyone know where that can be found or anything related to the jw's not having sites?

Utopian_Raindrops

*** km 11/97 p. 3 Good News on the Internet ***

Good

News on the Internet

In our technological age, some people obtain information from electronic sources, including the Internet. So the Society has put on the Internet some accurate information about the beliefs and activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Our Internet Web site has the address http://www.watchtower.org and contains a selection of tracts, brochures, and Watchtower and Awake! articles in English, Chinese (Simplified), German, Russian, and Spanish, as well as in other languages. The publications on this Web site are already available through the congregations and are in use in the ministry. The purpose of our Web site is, not to release new publications, but to make information available to the public in electronic format. There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovah’s Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site presents accurate information for any who want it.

Although our site has no provision for electronic messages (E-mail), it lists postal addresses of branches around the globe. Thus people can write to obtain more information or to receive personal assistance from Witnesses locally. Feel free to share the above Internet address with any who might be inclined to begin learning Bible truth from this format.

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A long and dusty road paved with lies!

by MacHislopp in

*how does the governing body differ froml a legal corporation?

(b) what were the members of the governing body doing, and under whose guidance?

this was evidently under the guidance of jehovahs invisible active force or holy spirit.

Utopian_Raindrops

MacHislopp,

I wanted to say I really enjoy your threads and this one is of no exception.

We (my daughter and I) would like to use some of your information on our site if you wouldn’t mind.

I love how you end your posts with a quote from some Latin writing. My mother took Latin in school and has read the works you quote from so she tells me about them!

This one Nescit vox missa reverti" ( Horatius, ars poetica, 390) I find very appropriate when it comes to the WTBS and even it’s founder….

*** The Watchtower of April 15, 1900 p. 122 ***
[Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]

There are probably as many as a hundred colored brethren on the Watch Tower lists, some of them very clear in the truth, and very earnest in its service, financially and otherwise. We have received letters from several of these, who had intended engaging in the volunteer work, expressing surprise that in the call for volunteers in the March 1st issue we restricted the inquiry to white Protestant churches. They rightly realized that we have not the slightest of race prejudice , and that we love the colored brethren with just the same warmth of heart that we love the white, and they queried therefore why such a distinction should be made in the call. The reason is that so far as we are able to judge, colored people have less education than whites - many of them quite insufficient to permit them to profit by such reading as we have to give forth. Our conclusion therefore is based upon the supposition that reading matter distributed to a colored congregation would more than half of it be utterly wasted , and a very small percentage indeed likely to yield good results.

*** Watchtower April 1, 1914 p.105-106 ***
[Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]

Recognizing that it meant either the success or the failure of the enterprise of the [Photo] Drama as respects the whites, we have been compelled to assign the colored friends to the gallery , which, however, is just as good for seeing and hearing as any other part of The Temple. Some were offended at this arrangement.

We have received numerous letters from the colored friends, some claiming that it is not right to make a difference, others indignantly and bitterly denouncing us as enemies of the colored people. Some, confident that Brother Russell had never sanctioned such a discrimination, told that they believe it would be duty to stand up for equal rights and always to help the oppressed, etc. We were obliged to explain the facts, assuring all of our loving interest in the colored people, and of our desire to do them good, and not injury . We again suggested that if a suitable place could be found in which the Drama could be presented for the benefit of the colored people alone, we would be glad to make such arrangements , or to cooperate with any others in doing so.

[...]

If nature favors the colored brethren and sisters in the exercise of humility it is that much to their advantage, if they are rightly exercised by it . A little while, and our humility will work out for our good. A little while, and those who have been faithful to their Covenant of Sacrifice will be granted new bodies, spiritual, beyond the veil, where color and sex distinctions will be no more. A little while, and the Millennial kingdom will be inaugurated, which will bring restitution to all mankind - restitution to the perfection of mind and body, feature and color, to the grand original standard, which God declared "very good," and which was lost for a time through sin, but which is soon to be restored by the powerful kingdom of Messiah.

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/racism.htm

With the mouth the heart doest speak…..

Sometimes I cannot believe I belonged to That Religion!

Thankz again for always starting such good threads.

Ciao 4 now,

U_R

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