I did indeed mean to write 'without direct divine intervention' in my original question.
Sorry for the confusion.
But even if one's position is correct, and dubs obviously think there's is, it doesn't follow that all the arguments in favour of the position are good arguments.
And I'm not talking about so-called "irreducible complexity", just complexity. Yes, I'm simplifying but I'm dealing with a dub here so I have to.
Basically, if god can create a world in which snowflakes form from water due to chemical reactions and we assume a snowflake is more complex than water, then god could have created a world in which evolution could happen. So the dub says he didn't but can't use the argument from complexity to demonstrate that.
So how do I put that in a form a dub would grasp?