i've got an audience with a believing jw.
yes, i know he's not really listening.
i see all the usual signs of cognitive dissonance.
Thank you everyone for your comments.
jgnat - "Why talk to the cultist? Much more interesting to talk to the natural person within. What is it about this person that makes him/her unique?"
He is a work colleague, which means I have a rare opportunity to talk directly to a believing JW about his beliefs. My motivation is just compassion, as I think JWs are victims of mind control. He's young enough that if he got out soon he could still live a full life.
designs
What is the "FDS fiasco"
i've got an audience with a believing jw.
yes, i know he's not really listening.
i see all the usual signs of cognitive dissonance.
I've got an audience with a believing JW. Yes, I know he's not really listening. I see all the usual signs of cognitive dissonance. But I have to try.
So I put forward some pretty blatant quotemines and, well, you know how it goes.
Someone please give me something undeniable that I can show him. There must be something.
as we all know, reaching a believing jw is difficult, maybe impossible.. i've tried many years of reasoning before i realised that reason isn't something they really understand, and science is something they can brush off with a wave of their hand.
now i'm going to prepare very succinct examples of their blatant quotemining and somehow get one of them to read it, then ask them why purveyors of the truth need to use lies to support their claims.
maybe i'm too optimistic but i'm hopeful this might have some effect.
Thanks for everyone’s comments. I'll have a good look throught these.
@Black Sheep and Indian Larry
How does this work? Do they know it's false but.. What? I just can't fathom it. Do they simultaneously know it's a lie but think it's the truth, using double-think?
@Indian Larry
I'm not in and have never been. I'm just trying to help someout out. He's a colleague, not a close friend and I probably won't be working there much longer anyway.
So with all this talk I hear of fading, I guess a lot of people are in it under duress but keep up the lie in case someone finds out they don't believe, and that's what the shunning's all about. Right?
as we all know, reaching a believing jw is difficult, maybe impossible.. i've tried many years of reasoning before i realised that reason isn't something they really understand, and science is something they can brush off with a wave of their hand.
now i'm going to prepare very succinct examples of their blatant quotemining and somehow get one of them to read it, then ask them why purveyors of the truth need to use lies to support their claims.
maybe i'm too optimistic but i'm hopeful this might have some effect.
Amelia, from what I know of the JW mindset that one is easily dismissed.
My favourite from that page is: " The manifest fit between organisms and their environment is a major outcome of evolution...."
but a few more blatant ones would be good.
as we all know, reaching a believing jw is difficult, maybe impossible.. i've tried many years of reasoning before i realised that reason isn't something they really understand, and science is something they can brush off with a wave of their hand.
now i'm going to prepare very succinct examples of their blatant quotemining and somehow get one of them to read it, then ask them why purveyors of the truth need to use lies to support their claims.
maybe i'm too optimistic but i'm hopeful this might have some effect.
As we all know, reaching a believing JW is difficult, maybe impossible.
I've tried many years of reasoning before I realised that reason isn't something they really understand, and science is something they can brush off with a wave of their hand. Now I'm going to prepare very succinct examples of their blatant quotemining and somehow get one of them to read it, then ask them why purveyors of the Truth need to use lies to support their claims. Maybe I'm too optimistic but I'm hopeful this might have some effect. For this I need some difficult to dismiss example of quotemines, the more recent the better.
I aready have these, which I suspect will be dismissed as from an 'old book' (not that I'm sure what the hell difference that makes).
http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/misquotations-in-creation-book.html
Anyone?
i notice the jw bible is copyrighted.
are any other "holy" books copyrighted?.
i guess that means publishing it online along with a critique would violate the copyright?.
"All translations are copyrighted in the normal way"
What, all bibles, including the King James? But there's plenty of websites that show the whole text of many!
i notice the jw bible is copyrighted.
are any other "holy" books copyrighted?.
i guess that means publishing it online along with a critique would violate the copyright?.
I notice the JW bible is copyrighted. Are any other "holy" books copyrighted?
I guess that means publishing it online along with a critique would violate the copyright?
in 1976, my friend bruce price was in contact with jehovahs witnesses who had become disillusioned through the debacle with 1975. bruce was the leading voice among the sda ministry in working for jws.
at the time, i was a member of the sda church.
although i left them about 25 years ago, to this day bruce and i enjoy a strong and genuinely warm friendship.. so, in 1976 bruce invited me to a meeting with one of the jws who was leading the disquiet in his congregation in dandenong (victoria, australia).
Could someone post a new link please?
i'm thinking of building a website to allow anyone to add tags and notes to multiple bibles.. for instance, a subscriber could tag all the verses that mention x so they are easy to hand when trying to argue through creationist lies about x (e.g slavery).. the tags, and other annotations could be public so others could use them.
eventually, each version would be highly annotated.
tags/notes could be shared between different versions of the bible.. i'd be very interested to hear your ideas of what else might be helpful.
I've seen that yes. Also http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com is a good one.
I haven't done much research yet but haven't seen a site that does what I described, though I'm sure there must be one.
Hopefully, someone on here will come up with some good ideas to make it great. Anyone?
i'm thinking of building a website to allow anyone to add tags and notes to multiple bibles.. for instance, a subscriber could tag all the verses that mention x so they are easy to hand when trying to argue through creationist lies about x (e.g slavery).. the tags, and other annotations could be public so others could use them.
eventually, each version would be highly annotated.
tags/notes could be shared between different versions of the bible.. i'd be very interested to hear your ideas of what else might be helpful.
I'm thinking of building a website to allow anyone to add tags and notes to multiple bibles.
For instance, a subscriber could tag all the verses that mention X so they are easy to hand when trying to argue through creationist lies about X (e.g slavery).
The tags, and other annotations could be public so others could use them. Eventually, each version would be highly annotated. Tags/notes could be shared between different versions of the bible.
I'd be very interested to hear your ideas of what else might be helpful. The main purpose is to help us all highlight the lies and deceptions of religion.
It seems the NWT has copyright restrictions. Is that true?
