Posts by wannabefree

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Memorial Prep question

by ExCircuitOverseer in

so are individual witnesses being told to prepare bread and have wine on hand for the zoom memorial?

are they saying it’s “vital” or is it just a “suggestion?” .

wannabefree

There is a bag on my counter that has "Memorial Bread & Wine" written on it. I don't know who made it, I haven't tried the dried crackers, but the wine doesn't taste good at all, in my opinion.

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what is This weekend watchtower trash about. Wife is in cult mode 12-27-20

by goingthruthemotions in

so what is this weeks watchtower trash about.

wife is in cult mode and trying to see if there is a link.. thanks.

wannabefree

I decided to check this out too and here are the answers that I came up with to the paragraphs.

Study Article 43

Jehovah Is Directing His Organization

1 - Baptism is an expression of willingness to serve with an eartly organization. (What is Jehovah's earthly organization? Governing Body? Watchtower?)

3 - Love moved Jehovah to give his Son a ransom for all ... even though given for "all", the only ones to benefit are those that listen to and respond to the preaching of the Jehovah's Witness organization, "God's Organization", faith in the ransom sacrifice is not sufficient, one must also ally themselves with the earthly organization.

6 - One of the challenges of Jesus' disciples was that they did not have publications like those provided by Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Inc..

7 - Modern times. Beginning in 1881? Direction largely through God's spirit-inspired Word exclusively explained through the publications of [God's self-appointed earthly] organization.

Watchtower 1881 referenced. Is it okay for Jehovah's Witnesses to reference such old literature? If rank and file do, they will be asked why and where they got the information. 1919 booklet also referenced.

8 - Tools used by "God's (self-proclaimed earthly) Organization"

9 - [Jehovah] wants the [Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's] Kingdom message to be available to all.

With a view to reaching more [hard to reach] people, Jehovah’s [self-proclaimed earthly] organization was moved to consider various forms of public witnessing.

2001,the Governing Body approved the use of literature carts and other displays in France and later in other places as well. The results were positive. In 2011 a pilot program was started in the United States

10 - To improve in your ministry you can take full advantage of the training Jehovah provides at [Jehovah's Witness] meetings. Work regularly with your field service group.

11 - Watchtower inserts the term "governing body" in the paragraph as if it is a biblical term and a "governing body" existed in the first century Christian congregation.

12 - Modern times. (as far back as 1895 - 125 years ago ... modern times?) Again an old Watchtower from 1895 is referenced. What about the other teachings from 1895? Is it okay for the JW to read this old literature? Who decides what was accurate?

13 - You should ask yourself:

Do I promote unity and peace in the congregation?

Am I obedient to [the self-appointed Governing Body, Watchtower representatives, elders]?

Can others depend on me, especially if I have responsibilities in the congregation?

Am I punctual, helpful, and eager to serve?

By improving in these areas, other Jehovah's Witnesses will love and value you more.

14 - According to Colossians 1:9, 10, God educated people in the first century by means of the Spirit.

15 - I haven't seen Isaiah 2:2,3 fulfilled. However, The Watchtower Organization wants you to parrot answers that they have provided in the paragraph. They refer to "in the final part of the days" ... what is this referring to? The time since 1895? 1914? 1925? 1941? 1975? 1984-1995? 2020?

Paragraph refers to "the faithful and discreet slave" this term has changed in meaning throughout Watchtower history. Does [God's self-proclaimed earthly] organization have the definition correct currently? The paragraph links being instructed by God with the teaching devices put out by this group as though they are channeling God. This is why you are not allowed to question what the organization teaches even though they have often taught things that are later considered false. They refer to it as a refinement, light getting brighter, but only they can pick from old literature and decide what can still be quoted as true.

16 - To grow spiritually, you must continue to consume the teachings of the Bible AND from God's [one and only self-proclaimed earthly] organization, [The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, JW.ORG, the Governing Body].

17 - You can show that you faithfully support Jehovah’s [self-proclaimed one and only earthly,] organization [soon to be the only organization left on earth], by:

Working with them to proclaim the message that they channel from God to everyone you meet.

By being obedient and promoting unity in the congregation by not questioning anything that is put forth by the leaders.

By studying publications provided by the organization as spiritual food they channel from God.

If you are loyal and serve with God's [self-proclaimed earthly] organization, you don't have to be afraid as Satan's world comes to its end [very soon].

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Since We Are In 2020 What Do You Miss?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i miss listening and dancing to live music on a weekend night.. i miss going into a crowded mall store to window shop.. i miss going out into public and not having to wear a mask.. i miss seeing people freely mingle on a busy street or sidewalk.. what a difference a year makes!.

wannabefree

I miss ....

Sex on the beach.

Sex in the camper.

Sex at the restaurant

Sex at the B&B.

Sex at my house.

Sex at someone else's house.

Sex.

Hmmm ... There seems to be a pattern here.

That's pretty much it.

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Worldwide Campaign Nov 2020

by Listener in

thanks petra and atlantis for sending the latest letter regarding the watchtowers plan for a worldwide campaign in november this year.

i am wondering what they are planning to achieve from this campaign, particularly their focus on sending the watchtower 2020 no.

2, titled "what is god's kingdom" to politicians, governments (and tribal leaders) around the world.. it would appear that this is their answer to governments who have put them in the spot light for their bad policies, particularly their handling of child abuse.

wannabefree

Lies, excites the base, makes some inactive wonder if "this is it" and they go back, it will accomplish for a short term the intended result to cause buzz and renewal for the flock.

It will be interesting to see if it has a negative effect on the government entities it is targeted at for reasons already mentioned. If there is any kind of uproar, no matter how slight, just more fuel to excite the flock.

14 years ago, this one had me thinking things will probably wrap up soon, I was out in service with an elder that was retiring at 62 years so he could pioneer full time again. I asked him why he didn't wait until 65 so he could get a larger Social Security check. He said this system would probably not last that long. HAHAHA! I think about that every time I see his wife selling junk on Facebook. Sad.

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GB teaching - Gays and Lesbians will be resurrected as Gays and Lesbians

by Listener in

the final talk of the saturday afternoon online convention is given by lett, sporting a creepy looking combover, which for some reason, looks creepier than normal.

he talks about how those resurrected will need to come into line with a new moral code otherwise they will be destroyed.

he uses an example of gay people having to turn away from their inclinations even though they may feel that they are perfectly acceptable.. this demonstrates that the gb feel that being gay is a taught behaviour rather than an imperfect unnatural desire, otherwise they would be growing out of that desire as they develop towards perfection, as they teach.

wannabefree

My dad died recently. After nearly ten minutes he was resurrected by doctors. He still looks the same, health is the same. I guess his sin remains.

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GB teaching - Gays and Lesbians will be resurrected as Gays and Lesbians

by Listener in

the final talk of the saturday afternoon online convention is given by lett, sporting a creepy looking combover, which for some reason, looks creepier than normal.

he talks about how those resurrected will need to come into line with a new moral code otherwise they will be destroyed.

he uses an example of gay people having to turn away from their inclinations even though they may feel that they are perfectly acceptable.. this demonstrates that the gb feel that being gay is a taught behaviour rather than an imperfect unnatural desire, otherwise they would be growing out of that desire as they develop towards perfection, as they teach.

wannabefree

In thought that death was the payment to offset sin. Penalty paid with death, sin gone, resurrection a free gift because of Jesus sacrifice. Why would one be resurrected as imperfect, sinful? Makes no sense.

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And this isn't a cult? Wife put on name tag for zoom assembly

by goingthruthemotions in

and this isn't a cult?

just saw my wife put on her name tag for the zoom assembly.... what the what?

i thought these things werent even live.

wannabefree

She's still in, if you were too, you'd possibly be sitting right next to her with your name tag on. It's a cult, yes, but you only see that now that you're on the outside looking in. She hasn't changed, you have, and that makes it difficult for both of you. As you know, I'm in a similar boat. I went home today and found my wife sitting at the kitchen table, watching the convention, taking notes. WTF?! You got your mind out, she hasn't, and she feels alone. She lost her spiritual head. She feels alone. If she doesn't wake up, she just goes deeper. She believes the end will come at any time. She may never wake up from it and you might not ever be able to reconcile that. It's a difficult path for both of you. No easy answers.

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interview going viral

by inbetween09 in

there is apparently an interview being circulated among jw.

me and my pimi wife got it several times.

its from some kind of tv station in us.

wannabefree

JW's don't call with the intention of converting people? ... I remember in my younger years as a JW, I made that comment at the door, back in the car, the used to be elder (stepped down, probably the most reasonable man I knew in that congregation) corrected me and said that it was our purpose. Because so few, if any, respond in the door to door work, perhaps the mentality is not converting, but putting on notice ... You got your warning, you can die at Armageddon and I won't be blood guilty.

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My letter of disassociation, what do you think?

by James Jack in

dear brothers, july 27, 2020. in 1919, the president of the watchtower society made a bold prediction, “millions now living will never die”.

that quotation was constantly repeated by the organization till the year 2000 when they realized that everyone in attendance at that assembly, who listened to j.r. rutherford repeat those words, are dead.. that teaching has guided my life.

statements were repeatedly made at assemblies, conventions and in print that there was no career in “this system of things” so you don’t need a job with benefits or retirement, your fulltime job is to “preach the good news”!

wannabefree

Great letter! Congratulations and best wishes on your endeavor.

I, so far, chose not to disassociate. I still have one daughter that is a believer and we still have a relationship. I left 9 years ago and had only one attempt early on with an offer to meet during a CO visit, I turned it down. I have another daughter that is baptized and married to a third generation JW, they have also faded. Sometimes I'm tempted to DA just so some JWs would ignore me.

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What the Heck are they talking about in todays meeting 7-19-20 Wife in full on cult mode

by goingthruthemotions in

so what the heck are they brainwashing today in the meeting or what ever.

she is in full on cult mode talking about the end of the world.

she asked me to listen to a couple of talks and i respectfully declined.

wannabefree

Mine too, all dressed up watching the convention to be followed by a zoom meeting. 🙄