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  John 1:1 - Good information

  by Dansk in

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  i came across the following information at this site, where there's a lot more :

  http://www.letusreason.org/jw38.htm

  english bible - "and what god was, the word was".

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  Inkie

  Herk:

  Thanks for your "reasonable" words. I appreciate them. I agree with your assessments and final conclusion. It's unfortunate (for those others) that you've, in all likelihood, 'hit the nail right on the head.'

  Inkie
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  John 1:1 - Good information

  by Dansk in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across the following information at this site, where there's a lot more :

  http://www.letusreason.org/jw38.htm

  english bible - "and what god was, the word was".

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  Inkie

  Hey...

  'But of all the scholars in the world, so far as we know, none have translated this verse as Jehovah's Witnesses have done."

  Duh...is anybody reading? Now I don't care for the teaching of the Dubs anymore than many here, but is everyone just biased with their own thinking against the Dubs--duh? Read Inkie above--again--and if you haven't, read it now.

  Inkie
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  John 1:1 - Good information

  by Dansk in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across the following information at this site, where there's a lot more :

  http://www.letusreason.org/jw38.htm

  english bible - "and what god was, the word was".

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  Inkie

  Are there others that have used "a god" at John 1:1c?
  Yes, take note:
  In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.
  (Interlineary Word for Word English Translation-Emphatic Diaglott)
  Harwood, 1768, "and was himself a divine person"
  Thompson, 1829, "the Logos was a god
  Reijnier Rooleeuw, 1694, "and the Word was a god"
  Hermann Heinfetter, 1863, [A]s a god the Command was"
  Abner Kneeland, 1822, "The Word was a God"
  Robert Young, 1885, (Concise Commentary) "[A]nd a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the
  Word"
  "In a beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was with the God and
  the [Marshal] [Word] was a god." John 1:1 21st Century NT Literal
  Belsham N.T. 1809 “the Word was a god”
  1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
  Leicester Ambrose, 1879, "And the logos was a god"
  J.N. Jannaris, 1901, [A]nd was a god"
  George William Horner, 1911, [A]nd (a) God was the word"
  James L. Tomanec, 1958, [T]he Word was a God"
  Siegfried Schulz, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1975, "And a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word"
  Madsen, 1994, "the Word was <EM>a divine Being"
  Becker, 1979, "a God/god was the Logos/logos"
  Stage, 1907, The Word/word was itself a divine Being/being.
  Holzmann, 1926, "a God/god was the Thought/thought"
  Rittenlmeyer, 1938, "selbst ein Gott war das Wort" [itself a God/god was the Word/word]
  Smit, 1960, the word of the world was a divine being
  Schultz, 1987, a God/god (or: God/god of Kind/kind) was the Word/word].
  John Crellius, Latin form of German, 1631, "The Word of Speech was a God"
  Greek Orthodox /Arabic translation, 1983, "the word was with Allah[God] and the word
  was a god"
  Robert Harvey, D.D., 1931 "and the Logos was divine (a divine being)"
  Jesuit John L. McKenzie, 1965, wrote in his Dictionary of the Bible: "Jn 1:1 should
  rigorously be translated . . . 'the word was a divine being.'
  Others, like Vine's and Harris have recognized that the rendering "a god" is grammatically possible. So we can see that the New World Translation does indeed have support for its rendering and does not need to rely on Johannes Greber and his New Testament.
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  JW's in the cinema

  by berten in

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  there is this funny anecdote i remember from my jw days that i would like to tell:.

  in the mid seventies there was a french movie released over here about .

  the story of david & goliath,and some jw's of our congregation wanted to see it.. now this movie of which i forgot the title was nothing special but as is usual .

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  Inkie

  After my bible study conductor (my age) finished conducting his studying with me, he invited me to hang out with him for the rest of the day that Sunday. We got into his bright yellow Mustang and drove around town. We ended up in the city of Oakland, California. He it was that introduced me to my very first X-rated porn movie: "I Am Curious Blue." Wow!
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  New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

  several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

  here is a quote that shows this: .

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  Inkie

  And yet, doesn't Revelation 20: 7-8 say: "Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended , Satan will be let loose out of his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them to the war ." What war? "The war of the great day of God the Almighty," maybe? (Revelation 16:14) And what is the name of that war? (Revelation 16:16) Could it be "Harmageddon," maybe?
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  Deprogramming your "Last Days" phobia...

  by logansrun in

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  raised in a religion that preached a massive, theocratic holocaust for the majority of mankind can leave you with more than a few mental and emotional scars.

  i remember being terrified on new years eve in 1986 (i was 9 yrs old) because of all the talk that that year was the "international year of peace.

  " i was conditioned to look at world events as being a sign that the end is near, sound familiar?

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  Inkie

  Hi Bradley,

  Maybe re-reading Matthew 24:4-7 might help. Reading it without the Watchtower bifocals.

  "See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, I am anointed, and they will lead many astray. You will be hearing of war and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for it must happen; but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdometc., etc., etc. The word "for" is an interesting preposition. It implies a continuation of the precedingnot a new thoughtas the Watchtower will have you believe. What follows the word "for" is a continuation of the previous, just a bit more expounded and/or explained. The Watchtower bifocals will have you believe the word "for" is ushering a new, different, and distinct thought. It is not. It's an explanation of the previous thoughts for which NOT TO BE ALARMED. Inkie
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  A Growing Irritant

  by Inkie in

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  more and more lately when i have occasion to read any of the society's publications or any postings here at this site which quote the society's publications i find more and more lately that i become really irritated, annoyed, chafing, at the redundant phrase "anointed christians.

  " it just irritates the hell out of me.

  i don't necessarily understand the "why" of this annoyance only that i recognize that i have it.

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  Inkie

  Jesus himself said: "[F]alse Christs [in Greek: pseudo-kristos] will arise and they [will] say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness [present/here], do not go forth; Behold, He is in the inner rooms [present, but you can't see him], do not believe it."Matthew 24:24-26, The New Testament, Recovery Version.
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  A Growing Irritant

  by Inkie in

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  more and more lately when i have occasion to read any of the society's publications or any postings here at this site which quote the society's publications i find more and more lately that i become really irritated, annoyed, chafing, at the redundant phrase "anointed christians.

  " it just irritates the hell out of me.

  i don't necessarily understand the "why" of this annoyance only that i recognize that i have it.

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  Inkie

  The "great crowd" of "other sheep" accept the teaching from the Society that because they are not anointed anointed ones, then it must mean that they are:

  UN-ANOINTED ANOINTED ONES! Is that an oxymoron or what?!

  Inkie
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  A Growing Irritant

  by Inkie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  more and more lately when i have occasion to read any of the society's publications or any postings here at this site which quote the society's publications i find more and more lately that i become really irritated, annoyed, chafing, at the redundant phrase "anointed christians.

  " it just irritates the hell out of me.

  i don't necessarily understand the "why" of this annoyance only that i recognize that i have it.

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  Inkie

  Greetings All:

  More and more lately when I have occasion to read any of the Society's publications or any postings here at this site which quote the Society's publications I find more and more lately that I become really irritated, annoyed, chafing, at the redundant phrase "anointed Christians." It just irritates the hell out of me. I don't necessarily understand the "why" of this annoyance only that I recognize that I have it. The word "Christians" literally mean "anointed ones" so that the phrase "anointed Christians" is really saying "anointed anointed ones." Just bugs me. Are there any phrases in the Society's literature that irritate you?

  Example: "Can anything be done if an infirm anointed anointed one finds it impossible to attend the congregation's commemoration of the Lord's Evening Meal?

  And another thing, in the post below about QFR regarding eating of the emblems, it says:

  "In such a case, the body of elders can arrange for an elder or other mature Christian male to take portions of the emblematic bread and wine to that fellow believer." Why is it necessary for an "elder" to bring such emblems to such an anointed anointed one? Why can it not be a sister bringing it to a sister? Where in the Bible does it necessitate a "male" to bring such emblems? Jesus said wherever there are 'two or three' gathered together he is present. Did he say male to male or male to female?

  The article also stated: "Such an anointed one [NOT anointed anointed one] can avail himself of a precedent in the Mosaic Law and commemorate it privately 30 days later." Why can it be commemorated PRIVATELY a month later and not PRIVATELY the month before? (Something's wrong with this picture.) If all JW's (partakers and OBSERVERS) are encouraged to attend in the first month, shouldn't the congregation be willing to gather together AGAIN a month later for an anointed anointed one to partake the second time around? If a congregation has only one anointed anointed one, and that anointed anointed one is sick or infirm and unable to attend in the first month , why do they all gather in the first month with no anointed anointed one present or partaking, but NOT gather together in the second month when the anointed anointed one is feeling a bit better and IS PARTAKING during the second month? Seems to me the congregation should be more than willing to congregate during the second month along with the anointed anointed one who is present and partaking.

  This whole thing is just plain dumb.

  Inkie
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  Vice OR Versa--Which?

  by Inkie in

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  the catholic church is just like the dubs--or--are the dubs just like the catholic church?.

  http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=2&u=/nm/20030123/od_nm/eulogies_dc.

  cut and paste it.. inkie

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  Inkie

  The Catholic Church is just like the Dubs--or--are the Dubs just like the Catholic Church?

  http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=2&u=/nm/20030123/od_nm/eulogies_dc

  Cut and paste it.

  Inkie