Posts by Inkie

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Paul's Letters: Part of "All Scripture ..." ?

by compound complex in

greetings, friends:.

a friend - a former jw - gave me thomas paine's the age of reason: being an investigation of true and fabulous theology.

the mind boggles as i begin, haltingly, to fathom what many of you have already learned and shared here on jwd: the authenticity of the bible is seriously in question.

Inkie

So, Jeff, you would believe because the "entire world knows" that these individuals exist, regardless of the fact that you have never seen or spoken with them. So what you are saying is that you believe because you trust what the "entire world knows" even though you yourself have not experienced such knowledge. (Your logic might be a little skewed here in that at one point in time, the entire world believed the earth was flat. And you would believe it to be true too. Actually, there are some people even today who believe the world is flat.) So, pretty much, your belief is based on trust--trust in those who tell you something.

You state that "we have documented evidence" that these politicians exist. Do we not have "documented evidence" that various cartoon characters exist? that they life in Disneyland? and that you can even visit them there? It's documented evidence, yes?

You would like God to "allow himself to be filmed" and that would clinch the deal for you. Interesting. Being filmed is a serious criterion for you. Interesting.

You ask me to reason with you and to "reverse the question." Tell me something, Jeff, what of all the millions of people who have never had a photograph taken of themselves? or of the millions of people who lived before photography or cameras of any kind were invented? Did none of those people exist because we have no photographs? Come on, Jeff. Really? We have the writings of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle--do you question their existence? According to your logic you do. We have the writings of those who were contemporaries of and who wrote about people like Marie Antoinette or William the Conqueror or Marco Polo or Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Marc Antony or King David, etc., etc., etc. According to your logic/reasoning, you would question the existence of these people because no camera ever captured their likeness. Did any of these people write about themselves? Most did not. Others, however, did. Interesting logic you have. I suppose you may as well question the existence of anyone and everyone who has not had a photo taken.

--Inkie

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Paul's Letters: Part of "All Scripture ..." ?

by compound complex in

greetings, friends:.

a friend - a former jw - gave me thomas paine's the age of reason: being an investigation of true and fabulous theology.

the mind boggles as i begin, haltingly, to fathom what many of you have already learned and shared here on jwd: the authenticity of the bible is seriously in question.

Inkie

So, ATJ, the bottom line is that you do not believe that God exists because he has not spoken to you, nor will you believe, that God and/or His Son speak. And there you go. You believe that Jah and his Son, Jaheshua, are non-existant, but if existing, are dumb/mute--either incapable or unwilling to speak.

Question: If AGuest told you that President Bush or Hillary or Obama spoke to her said such and such, would you believe her? Why? Have you already spoken with any of them? If not, what is the likelihood of you doing so? And if you wanted to, what hoops would you have to go through in order to do so?

Kind of reminds me of Naaman when he was told to go wash by a small child and he got all irate, first, because he was told to wash my a little girl, and continued irate because rather than do the simple thing of washing, he wanted to be told to do some great task in order to be cleansed.

Ah well . . . .

Inkie

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Dog Owners -- Help!

by Inkie in

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we have a four and a half month old chihuahua--the cutest little male dog.

in the short while that we have had him, my wife and i have fallen very much in love with him.

i haven't had a dog since i was a young lad of about 9 or 10 (i'm way older now) so i've long since forgotten how male dogs behave.

Inkie

We have a four and a half month old Chihuahua--the cutest little male dog. In the short while that we have had him, my wife and I have fallen very much in love with him. I haven't had a dog since I was a young lad of about 9 or 10 (I'm way older now) so I've long since forgotten how male dogs behave. My question for Help is this.

My little Chihuahua has suddenly started to "hump" various objects, most recently my one-year old granddaughter. It's kind of cute, but not really. How do you stop this kind of behavior? Please help! Please!

--Inkie

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There is a god who wants 9/11 to happen the world over

by jambon1 in

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his name is jehovah.. he is worshiped by 6.5 million moronic, self-centred, selfish idiots.. he likes what happened at the twin towers because his organisation has shown us images of this happening the world over when he simultaneously murders over 6 billion people.

even though this is repulsive to most right thinking individuals, it is his justice & his witnesses look forward to it and love him for it.. filth!

absolute filth!.

Inkie

"There is a god who wants 9/11 to happen the world over. . . ." Yes, and he's not the God of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob. Nor is he the God of Jesus Christ.

It is written: The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. Do you know who he is?

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Elder is calling friends, JC any day now!

by BurnTheShips in

yes, i have been working on "the fade" since before my baby was born in january and trying to keep as low a profile as i can.

will be moving out of the neighborhood soon and i had hoped to disappear.

so anyways, leaving the dubs has not made me lose my faith in god or christ.

Inkie

You want me to appear at a judicial committee meeting at such and such a time?

What am I being accused of? Don't I have a right to know what I am being accused of before I attend?

Will my accusers be present so that I may hear the charges against me from their own mouths as is stated by Jesus in the Bible (two witnesses)?

I will be happy to appear before the committee, but only if my accusers are present and I hear the charges from their own lips?

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Wolves in Sheep's Clothing = False Prophets

by LiveLife in

matthew 7:15-20. be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheeps covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.

never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?

likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit.

Inkie

Live Life:

They claim that the Faithful and Discreet Slave have been known to and used by God since Penetcost 33 CE. But they also say Jesus selected this group as his Faithful and Discreet Slave after searching out all of Christendom for the faithful. This understanding requires us to believe that God didn't tell Jesus who he had been using since 33 CE and that Jesus supposedly didn't even know who his own brothers were without searching.

This problem and the one you pointed up stand as valid whether you believe the Faithful and Discreet Slave to be individuals or whether you believe it to be a group.

I'm not sure the first part of your citation is exactly correct. I think they teach that the "Governing Body" has been used by God since Pentecost of 33 CE. The Governing Body is a select group from among the Faithful & Discreet Slave though. Oh my God, this doesn't work either! The F&DS is all of the anointed. Wait! So initially there are anointed and then from among them there is a Governing Body; then allegedly, thousands of years later in the early 1900's Christ appoints all of the anointed as a F&DS, but then the Bible says the F&DS is appointed after he returns after the tribulation.

Talk about a convoluted mess!

--Inkie

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1935 A Gentle Reminder

by Inkie in

.. it must not be forgotten that back in the early 1900's the society taught that world war i was the beginning of the great tribulation and when wwi ended--that was the "unless those days were cut short no flesh would be saved" and it was the "these are the ones that come out of the great tribulation" as recorded by the apostle john in his revelation.

when wwii started it was the great tribulation commencing again such that all of those jw's between the two world wars belonged to the great crowd.

in 1968 at the peace on earth international convention, the society changed its teaching and made the great tribulation a yet future event.

Inkie

The Society has been spinning its "word" studies for scores of years. Some times they are very critically oriented in the exact meaning of a word and at other times not (when it's to their convenience). When I explain this subject matter to others I often use the following example for an explanation of a great crowd.

In the future there is going to be a Great Earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. It's going to be a big one. There will be a loss of many lives. Nevertheless, after the Great Earthquake there is going to be a great crowd of people surviving it. (They will be the fortunate if they are not too severely injured.) What this means though is that in order for there to be a great crowd of survivors, before the Great Earthquake there has to be an even Greater Crowd living in the San Francisco Bay Area in order to have a survival of a Great Crowd of earthquake survivors. Of that Greater Crowd now existing only a lesser amount will survive. Not everyone in the Greater Crowd (before the earthquake) is going to part of the Great Crowd (after the quake) that survives it. So, you can look around at people of this Greater Crowd and "wonder" are you going to be of the Great Crowd, are you going to be of the Great Crowd. . . . So because you have the "prospect" of suriving you can consider yourself to be part of the Great Crowd, is the Society's reasoning. Good reasoning, huh?

Nevertheless, the Great Crowd (of earthquake surivors) or of the Tribulation do not make a showing until after the Great Tribulation. And Jesus Christ does not return until after the Tribulation too.

I have to make a slight correction, the Peace on Earth International Convention was in 1969, not in 1968 as I initially stated. I attended the one at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles.

--Inkie

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Voluntarily Confessing & Then Getting Reproved or Disfellowshipped

by minimus in

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do you realize how many contrite witnesses went to the elders to make things right with god and wound up getting disfellowshipped or privately or publicly reproved?

a lot.. did you or anyone that you knew ever get "disciplined" unfairly?

many times, no one would ever know about anything unless it was voluntarily brought up.

Inkie

Just another example of elders not following the directives of the Master:

Luke 17:3,4: Pay attention to yourselves. If your brother commits a sin give him a rebuke, and if he repents forgive him. Even if he sins seven times a day against you and he comes back to you seven times, saying 'I repent,' you must forgive him."

--Inkie

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Feed the Poor or Help the WT? (Mt 25:40 Christ's "Brothers")

by Open mind in

some bible passages i can vaguely remember reading as child without the borg blinders on.

this would usually happen after a speaker introduced a single "proof text" verse in a talk and then i'd keep on reading in the bible instead of staying in sync with the borg software download.

(guess i was destined for "apostasy" .

Inkie

When I hear the kind of stories like the one Sinis writes I just want to scream and cuss and swear and hit someone. Usually the self-righteous hypocrite!

--Inkie

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Feed the Poor or Help the WT? (Mt 25:40 Christ's "Brothers")

by Open mind in

some bible passages i can vaguely remember reading as child without the borg blinders on.

this would usually happen after a speaker introduced a single "proof text" verse in a talk and then i'd keep on reading in the bible instead of staying in sync with the borg software download.

(guess i was destined for "apostasy" .

Inkie

Note Christ's instruction TO the Little Flock at Luke (12:32,33 or is it 19:32,33):

Go sell your belongings and give gifts of mercy! Well, that ain't happening! Various translations write it differently but still very succinct.

--Inkie