Yes! Exactly, Farkel.
The Captain is like any and all religions. The governess is like Christ when he said (paraphrasing),
"I've come that you may have life, and that you may have it in abundance!"
--Inkie
i recently watched the classic 1965 film "the sound of music" for the umteenth time.
it was the winner of 5 academy awards, including best picture.
i originally saw it on the big screen when it first aired and loved every minute of it.
Yes! Exactly, Farkel.
The Captain is like any and all religions. The governess is like Christ when he said (paraphrasing),
"I've come that you may have life, and that you may have it in abundance!"
--Inkie
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
on many occasions i have observed folks contemplating my lord's words recorded at matthew 26:39 (luke 22:42).
however, he trusted our heavenly father, the most holy one of israel, jah of armies, that it had to be this way... and so offered himself willingly.
AGuest, and isn't this the reason the Christ himself said at John 8:42:
Jesus said to them: “If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth.—John 8
Inkie
hello.
can anyone tell me who wrote the pentateuch?
i'd be interested to hear.. pippa.
Moses is SAID to have written the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Bible); however, one need only read it to KNOW that Moses did not write the Pentateuch. Moses is written about (in the third person) in those books. So when you hear the phrase "the five books of Moses," know that the five books (actually four of them; Moses is not in Genesis) are "about" Moses and not "by" Moses. Who actually wrote the books, no one knows.
--Inkie
a relative of mine has a daughter (raised in the organization) who has decided not to be a witness.
this relative of mine is also on his way out of the organization.
anyway, this daughter met a man at work twice her age (she is 21) who is a total and absolute jerk--verbally abusive, controlling, selfish, angry all of the time, etc., you name a bad quality, this guy's got it.
A relative of mine has a daughter (raised in the organization) who has decided not to be a witness. This relative of mine is also on his way out of the organization. Anyway, this daughter met a man at work twice her age (she is 21) who is a total and absolute jerk--verbally abusive, controlling, selfish, angry all of the time, etc., you name a bad quality, this guy's got it. She fell in "love" with him at work. She moved out of her father's house two and one-half years ago to live with him. My relative was devasted. This couple fights frequently. She finally left him a week ago last Wednesday. He angrily told her to go. She left and went home to her father's house and was welcomed home. Over the weekend this guy wants her back and a ploy to get her back is, he proposes marriage to her. She accepts. Dumb. Can one prevent this marriage? How does one do that? What will open her eyes to the true character of this low-life? We are at our wits end to try to help. Any suggestions.
Inkie
isn't it interesting that the memorial (which is pretty much a passover event) is not done in one's private home just as the passover was/is done in private homes among ancient and modern israel.
israel didn't gather together in some huge synagogue or even at the temple--they gathered in private homes.
maybe jesus' gathering his disciples together in the upper chamber could be used by the society as the reason they too gather in kingdom halls and various auditoriums as they do.
Isn't it interesting that the Memorial (which is pretty much a Passover event) is NOT done in one's private home just as the Passover was/is done in private homes among ancient and modern Israel. Israel didn't gather together in some huge synagogue or even at the temple--they gathered in private homes. Maybe Jesus' gathering his disciples together in the upper chamber could be used by the Society as the reason they too gather in Kingdom Halls and various auditoriums as they do. But even if that reasoning is acceptable, it still doesn't outlaw celebrathing the Memorial in one's own home, does it?
Inkie
my brother whom i thought would never ask questions has recently begun to ask questions about the society's history, doctrines, and practices, like i just believe would never have happened.
i am excited beyond words.
now for my request, if you can help me out, please.. can someone tell me where in the society's publications (of any kind, whether it be books, magazine, videos, etc.
Greetings One and All,
My brother whom I thought would never ask questions has recently begun to ask questions about the Society's history, doctrines, and practices, like I just believe would never have happened. I am excited beyond words. Now for my request, if you can help me out, please.
Can someone tell me where in the Society's publications (of any kind, whether it be books, magazine, videos, etc.) I can find information about when the Writing Department took over from the Governing Body. I seem to remember some article somewhere showing a diagram of the various multiple departments that the Society has been using over the years. I believe they call this "having turned over everything to the 'Joshua class.'
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.
--Inkie
does anyone know of an "alfons salazar" who was a witness in san antonio, texas, circa 1972. if so, can you tell me how i might find him?
or, tell him that i am looking for him and for him to contact me?
i heard that he married a sister and got divorced shortly thereafter.
Does anyone know of an "Alfons Salazar" who was a witness in San Antonio, Texas, circa 1972. If so, can you tell me how I might find him? Or, tell him that I am looking for him and for him to contact me? I heard that he married a sister and got divorced shortly thereafter. I also heard that he left the organization circa 1975/1976. He was a regular pioneer at the time (1972) I knew him. Thanks for your help. --Inkie
i have heard that the bible as we know it today is not in it's entirety.
i feel that this is deceptive and had people argue that the present day bible is how god intended us to read it because that is all we need/ it is presented how he wants us to have it.
i don't buy that and feel that god wouldn't "hide" any of the holy scriptures as men have done.
Unlike many here, I have taken your questions rather seriously; thus, I will answer seriously.
Put simply, the Bible is merely a “collection” of books that were put together by man at various points in time. You can read the history of that in many books and on the internet. In other words, there was never at some point in the distance past a whole and complete book that once existed containing all of the books belonging to it. Men just collected and compiled into one book what we now have and call the Bible. Thus, the Bible has never been an “entirety.”
While many people today do feel that the ‘present-day Bible is how God intended us to read it,’ that is not the case. No where in the Bible have we been directed to read the Bible. In the last chapter of the book of Luke, Christ states quite clearly what scripture is. He states the scripture is: the writings of Moses, the writings of the Prophets, and the Psalms. That being the case, then nothing else in the Bible is scripture. That’s quite a lot, isn’t it?
While I tend to agree with you in that God wouldn’t hide any of the holy scriptures from us, after all, he was the one that provided them in the first place, it is men who hide from us what God has given to us. No only have men hidden from us what God has provided to us, but men also have “added” what God has not given to us. So the difficulty is determining what has been removed by man and what has been added by man.
God is described as the ‘giver of every good gift.’ And he is described as one who cannot do wickedness. Knowing these two things just might direct you to the truth of things and know (within yourself) what God has or has not done, even though men say otherwise.
Now, take the writings of Moses, for example. What is contained in the Bible is often said to be the “Books of Moses.” Most people mean that these first five books of the Bible were written “by” Moses. However, after reading them carefully, you might discern that these first five books of the Bible are written “about” Moses. So the expression, the ”Books of Moses,” really means the Books about Moses, not books written by Moses. To the extent that the Books of Moses quote what Moses actually wrote, to that extent those quotations are scripture, but the book quoting him is not. Do you discern the difference? Read carefully starting at the book of Exodus and you tell me whether Moses wrote it or whether someone else wrote it about Moses.
greetings, friends:.
a friend - a former jw - gave me thomas paine's the age of reason: being an investigation of true and fabulous theology.
the mind boggles as i begin, haltingly, to fathom what many of you have already learned and shared here on jwd: the authenticity of the bible is seriously in question.
So, Jeff, you would believe because the "entire world knows" that these individuals exist, regardless of the fact that you have never seen or spoken with them. So what you are saying is that you believe because you trust what the "entire world knows" even though you yourself have not experienced such knowledge. (Your logic might be a little skewed here in that at one point in time, the entire world believed the earth was flat. And you would believe it to be true too. Actually, there are some people even today who believe the world is flat.) So, pretty much, your belief is based on trust--trust in those who tell you something.
You state that "we have documented evidence" that these politicians exist. Do we not have "documented evidence" that various cartoon characters exist? that they life in Disneyland? and that you can even visit them there? It's documented evidence, yes?
You would like God to "allow himself to be filmed" and that would clinch the deal for you. Interesting. Being filmed is a serious criterion for you. Interesting.
You ask me to reason with you and to "reverse the question." Tell me something, Jeff, what of all the millions of people who have never had a photograph taken of themselves? or of the millions of people who lived before photography or cameras of any kind were invented? Did none of those people exist because we have no photographs? Come on, Jeff. Really? We have the writings of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle--do you question their existence? According to your logic you do. We have the writings of those who were contemporaries of and who wrote about people like Marie Antoinette or William the Conqueror or Marco Polo or Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Marc Antony or King David, etc., etc., etc. According to your logic/reasoning, you would question the existence of these people because no camera ever captured their likeness. Did any of these people write about themselves? Most did not. Others, however, did. Interesting logic you have. I suppose you may as well question the existence of anyone and everyone who has not had a photo taken.
--Inkie
greetings, friends:.
a friend - a former jw - gave me thomas paine's the age of reason: being an investigation of true and fabulous theology.
the mind boggles as i begin, haltingly, to fathom what many of you have already learned and shared here on jwd: the authenticity of the bible is seriously in question.
So, ATJ, the bottom line is that you do not believe that God exists because he has not spoken to you, nor will you believe, that God and/or His Son speak. And there you go. You believe that Jah and his Son, Jaheshua, are non-existant, but if existing, are dumb/mute--either incapable or unwilling to speak.
Question: If AGuest told you that President Bush or Hillary or Obama spoke to her said such and such, would you believe her? Why? Have you already spoken with any of them? If not, what is the likelihood of you doing so? And if you wanted to, what hoops would you have to go through in order to do so?
Kind of reminds me of Naaman when he was told to go wash by a small child and he got all irate, first, because he was told to wash my a little girl, and continued irate because rather than do the simple thing of washing, he wanted to be told to do some great task in order to be cleansed.
Ah well . . . .
Inkie