Posts by Inkie

Thanks for your "reasonable" words. I appreciate them. I agree with your assessments and final conclusion. It's unfortunate (for those others) that you've, in all likelihood, 'hit the nail right on the head.'

Inkie

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John 1:1 - Good information

by Dansk in

i came across the following information at this site, where there's a lot more :

http://www.letusreason.org/jw38.htm

english bible - "and what god was, the word was".

Inkie

Hey...

'But of all the scholars in the world, so far as we know, none have translated this verse as Jehovah's Witnesses have done."

Duh...is anybody reading? Now I don't care for the teaching of the Dubs anymore than many here, but is everyone just biased with their own thinking against the Dubs--duh? Read Inkie above--again--and if you haven't, read it now.

Inkie

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John 1:1 - Good information

by Dansk in

i came across the following information at this site, where there's a lot more :

http://www.letusreason.org/jw38.htm

english bible - "and what god was, the word was".

Inkie

Are there others that have used "a god" at John 1:1c?
Yes, take note:
In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.
(Interlineary Word for Word English Translation-Emphatic Diaglott)
Harwood, 1768, "and was himself a divine person"
Thompson, 1829, "the Logos was a god
Reijnier Rooleeuw, 1694, "and the Word was a god"
Hermann Heinfetter, 1863, [A]s a god the Command was"
Abner Kneeland, 1822, "The Word was a God"
Robert Young, 1885, (Concise Commentary) "[A]nd a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the
Word"
"In a beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was with the God and
the [Marshal] [Word] was a god." John 1:1 21st Century NT Literal
Belsham N.T. 1809 “the Word was a god”
1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
Leicester Ambrose, 1879, "And the logos was a god"
J.N. Jannaris, 1901, [A]nd was a god"
George William Horner, 1911, [A]nd (a) God was the word"
James L. Tomanec, 1958, [T]he Word was a God"
Siegfried Schulz, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1975, "And a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word"
Madsen, 1994, "the Word was <EM>a divine Being"
Becker, 1979, "a God/god was the Logos/logos"
Stage, 1907, The Word/word was itself a divine Being/being.
Holzmann, 1926, "a God/god was the Thought/thought"
Rittenlmeyer, 1938, "selbst ein Gott war das Wort" [itself a God/god was the Word/word]
Smit, 1960, the word of the world was a divine being
Schultz, 1987, a God/god (or: God/god of Kind/kind) was the Word/word].
John Crellius, Latin form of German, 1631, "The Word of Speech was a God"
Greek Orthodox /Arabic translation, 1983, "the word was with Allah[God] and the word
was a god"
Robert Harvey, D.D., 1931 "and the Logos was divine (a divine being)"
Jesuit John L. McKenzie, 1965, wrote in his Dictionary of the Bible: "Jn 1:1 should
rigorously be translated . . . 'the word was a divine being.'
Others, like Vine's and Harris have recognized that the rendering "a god" is grammatically possible. So we can see that the New World Translation does indeed have support for its rendering and does not need to rely on Johannes Greber and his New Testament.

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JW's in the cinema

by berten in

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there is this funny anecdote i remember from my jw days that i would like to tell:.

in the mid seventies there was a french movie released over here about .

the story of david & goliath,and some jw's of our congregation wanted to see it.. now this movie of which i forgot the title was nothing special but as is usual .

Inkie

After my bible study conductor (my age) finished conducting his studying with me, he invited me to hang out with him for the rest of the day that Sunday. We got into his bright yellow Mustang and drove around town. We ended up in the city of Oakland, California. He it was that introduced me to my very first X-rated porn movie: "I Am Curious Blue." Wow!

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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

here is a quote that shows this: .

Inkie

And yet, doesn't Revelation 20: 7-8 say: "Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended , Satan will be let loose out of his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them to the war ." What war? "The war of the great day of God the Almighty," maybe? (Revelation 16:14) And what is the name of that war? (Revelation 16:16) Could it be "Harmageddon," maybe?

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Deprogramming your "Last Days" phobia...

by logansrun in

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raised in a religion that preached a massive, theocratic holocaust for the majority of mankind can leave you with more than a few mental and emotional scars.

i remember being terrified on new years eve in 1986 (i was 9 yrs old) because of all the talk that that year was the "international year of peace.

" i was conditioned to look at world events as being a sign that the end is near, sound familiar?

Inkie

Hi Bradley,

Maybe re-reading Matthew 24:4-7 might help. Reading it without the Watchtower bifocals.

"See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, I am anointed, and they will lead many astray. You will be hearing of war and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for it must happen; but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdometc., etc., etc. The word "for" is an interesting preposition. It implies a continuation of the precedingnot a new thoughtas the Watchtower will have you believe. What follows the word "for" is a continuation of the previous, just a bit more expounded and/or explained. The Watchtower bifocals will have you believe the word "for" is ushering a new, different, and distinct thought. It is not. It's an explanation of the previous thoughts for which NOT TO BE ALARMED. Inkie

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A Growing Irritant

by Inkie in

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more and more lately when i have occasion to read any of the society's publications or any postings here at this site which quote the society's publications i find more and more lately that i become really irritated, annoyed, chafing, at the redundant phrase "anointed christians.

" it just irritates the hell out of me.

i don't necessarily understand the "why" of this annoyance only that i recognize that i have it.

Inkie

Jesus himself said: "[F]alse Christs [in Greek: pseudo-kristos] will arise and they [will] say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness [present/here], do not go forth; Behold, He is in the inner rooms [present, but you can't see him], do not believe it."Matthew 24:24-26, The New Testament, Recovery Version.

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A Growing Irritant

by Inkie in

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more and more lately when i have occasion to read any of the society's publications or any postings here at this site which quote the society's publications i find more and more lately that i become really irritated, annoyed, chafing, at the redundant phrase "anointed christians.

" it just irritates the hell out of me.

i don't necessarily understand the "why" of this annoyance only that i recognize that i have it.

Inkie

The "great crowd" of "other sheep" accept the teaching from the Society that because they are not anointed anointed ones, then it must mean that they are:

UN-ANOINTED ANOINTED ONES! Is that an oxymoron or what?!

Inkie