Posts by JosephMalik

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Was Jesus the first creation of God ?

by enquirer in

i am discussing this subject with a friend who believes this and who uses the passage in col 1 vs.15-17 as 'proof'.

he also uses john 8 v 58. it is of course a question of greek interpretation.

is there anyone out there who is a reliable greek scholar who could verify what these verses really say?

JosephMalik

Undisfellowshipped,

Without being picky about a few details this article of yours about the immortal (human) Christ is basically correct. Bet you never thought that I would agree with you on anything?

Joseph

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Was Jesus the first creation of God ?

by enquirer in

i am discussing this subject with a friend who believes this and who uses the passage in col 1 vs.15-17 as 'proof'.

he also uses john 8 v 58. it is of course a question of greek interpretation.

is there anyone out there who is a reliable greek scholar who could verify what these verses really say?

Trying to match texts with similar words from other authors and from diverse places is a waste of my time. You should be following along and keeping in touch with the context given in the particular text I just discussed. It is of no interest to me if you do not like it or disagree. You asked and I answered. Your inability to understand this is not my problem.

Joseph

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Was Jesus the first creation of God ?

by enquirer in

i am discussing this subject with a friend who believes this and who uses the passage in col 1 vs.15-17 as 'proof'.

he also uses john 8 v 58. it is of course a question of greek interpretation.

is there anyone out there who is a reliable greek scholar who could verify what these verses really say?

JosephMalik

The things invsible the heavens? What are they

These are the government in Rome with Caesar in charge in this case. And governments far away other than Rome. They are Invisible as a consequence of the distance involved. Local government would be those visible. Those on earth would be the ones ruled by such governments or heavens These are real things that John knew about and could write about and they existed in his day. Look carefully at what he is talking about:

be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

All these things are human governments good or bad used to maintain order here on earth until His kingdom takes over and replaces them. Such heavens were created and permitted to exist here for this reason. Such heavens can and are used by Him as needed.

Joseph

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Was Jesus the first creation of God ?

by enquirer in

i am discussing this subject with a friend who believes this and who uses the passage in col 1 vs.15-17 as 'proof'.

he also uses john 8 v 58. it is of course a question of greek interpretation.

is there anyone out there who is a reliable greek scholar who could verify what these verses really say?

JosephMalik

The statement should be understood in context which most seem to ignore. The context is the world of mankind and its creation in the beginning. So Jesus the Logos that became human is the first human creation by God. How any other creation came to be prior to this is not under discussion.

Hi waiting!

Joseph

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Why Have Memorial if...

by Sweetp0985 in

no one partakes of it?

out of the many memorials i have been to, i only recall 1 when a bethelite came to give our talk and he was of the anointed and partook of the emblems.

but anyway i've read a post on here and heard about a person in my local area that partook of the emblems and their "anointed" status was questioned.

JosephMalik

Bad as all this is you have not heard the worst of it. All JW?s that deny Christ at this public meeting and memorial are condemning themselves. Notice:

Mt 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Lu 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Time to wake up folks.

Joseph

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What do the angels do all day?

by JH in

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JosephMalik

What do angels do all day indeed?

JH,

Never gave this any thought before but it is a good question that deserves more than just making fun of it.

Based upon the scriptural promises for mankind, there will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous. In other words good and bad human beings (all sheep) will be permitted to live in the kingdom under Christ, giving many of such bad but not evil persons the time to straighten out in this kingdom and be healed. I also take it that there will be no resurrection for the condemned or goats at that time as their names will not appear in the book of life so as to be resurrected. So the question is how do we know who is who? Where or how is this information being gathered? What is the spirit that returns to God at death?

Whatever the meaning is, be it our memories that will be restored in that new immortal human body that will exist in this Kingdom under Christ or simply that such data on our conduct, our past life is available, something or someone must puts this all together. It will be assembled and will be made known at such time in judgment we know. The angels are in a good position to assemble such information for this purpose. While Christ has this information available to Him this does not mean that it is being gathered personally by Him. Detail is not given in scripture on how this is done other that the fact that not everything is done personally by God. He uses others to do such things for Him just as He used Christ in our behalf. Just the reality of it being done somehow comes through in the text. So there is something to consider besides the fact that the universe may require attention and maintenance as would any machine or system that is intended to operate in an orderly fashion.

Joseph

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Was Jesus the first creation of God ?

by enquirer in

i am discussing this subject with a friend who believes this and who uses the passage in col 1 vs.15-17 as 'proof'.

he also uses john 8 v 58. it is of course a question of greek interpretation.

is there anyone out there who is a reliable greek scholar who could verify what these verses really say?

JosephMalik

Undisfellowshipped,

I have responded over and over again but it does no good. You cannot grasp the context in which such verses are given. So I explained it all in plain english and still nothing happens. So be it.

Joseph]

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Was Jesus the first creation of God ?

by enquirer in

i am discussing this subject with a friend who believes this and who uses the passage in col 1 vs.15-17 as 'proof'.

he also uses john 8 v 58. it is of course a question of greek interpretation.

is there anyone out there who is a reliable greek scholar who could verify what these verses really say?

JosephMalik

Throughout the Scriptures, repeatedly there is mentioned "The Angel of Yahweh", and this Angel calls Himself YHWH, presents Himself as YHWH, accepts worship as YHWH, receives prayers as YHWH, and accepts sacrifices as YHWH. Salvation and Redemption is attributed to this Angel

Undisfellowshipped,

You still do not get it do you? Your arguments support my views and not yours. Authority can and is delegated by YHWH as if performed by Him personally. Even that name, the personal name of YHWH can be used by such angels when such authority is given. Worship given to such angels is not considered wrong in such cases since the true nature of such worship, the reality of such worship is understood. This is context that is discernable even if not stated in the text. Angels that appeared as humans that did not have the authority of YHWH sinned and were condemned never to appear in human form again and caused a flood that destroyed their offspring. But not all angels sinned in this way did they? Many appeared as humans since then that had the authorization of YHWH to do so. They continued to function even in such human form. The Logos that was with YHWH was given the authority to create man and was permitted to be God to mankind as a result. This is a position of authority over mankind which is basically what the term God means, not some identification of a Supreme Being as Trinitarians teach. This word God has such use in scripture and is even used for men such as Moses. Trinitarians do not understand this truth. Trinitarians have managed to corrupt such fundamental teaching of scripture, have corrupted basic definitions of words such as God, heaven soul, hell, immortality and such and have defiled the faith as a result.

Joseph

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Was Jesus the first creation of God ?

by enquirer in

i am discussing this subject with a friend who believes this and who uses the passage in col 1 vs.15-17 as 'proof'.

he also uses john 8 v 58. it is of course a question of greek interpretation.

is there anyone out there who is a reliable greek scholar who could verify what these verses really say?

JosephMalik

There was only one "Angel" who ever used the Personal Name of God as if He was God. And the reason for this is because this "Angel" WAS GOD [YHWH] Himself!

Undisfellowshipped,

Now I have heard it all. Thanks for proving my point. And that goes for the rest of your ravings. Take a good look folks. This is a good as it gets.

Joseph

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the great tribulation has begun!

by candidlynuts in

proplog stated he/she?

wont post his/her 1000th post till it begins...or was it that no posts till a profound statement could be made about it?.

i forget... anyway it got me thinking about the big t... is it gonna be as easy to see as the second coming of christ was in 1914?

JosephMalik

Well as long as we are talking about the great tribulation here is another view to consider. The Great Tribulation is the same period in mans history as the Gentile Times or appointed times of the Nations. All such expressions mean the same thing.

They began when sin entered into the world and end at our Lord's coming back to earth to establish His Kingdom here. It is out of this great tribulation that resurrected mankind will be chosen to live in this kingdom.

We can discuss all of it or part of it in a text but this does not change this reality. Perhaps this is why so many views exist concerning such times.

Joseph