Posts by JosephMalik

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Is Michael the Archangel really Jesus?

by twinkletoes in

for years i have believed what the wt says about michael the archangel really being another name for jesus christ.

but now i am reading lots of other non-witness books, i am beginning to question this teaching.. has anyone done any research on this particular subject.. your comments would be appreciated.

twink.

JosephMalik

An easy belief to hold if you don't believe that Jesus is Lord (eg.for jws)

But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you."

Paduan,

This has no bearing on the identity of Michael. Use of the word Lord is a common expression that applies to individuals of importance or rank. It is a title of honor and is used of Jesus as such. If you can produce a text that says LORD Jesus then you would have a case. Such use of the word LORD in all caps is derived from an entirely different word, the name of the true God in fact. Do you have such evidence?

Joseph

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Is Michael the Archangel really Jesus?

by twinkletoes in

for years i have believed what the wt says about michael the archangel really being another name for jesus christ.

but now i am reading lots of other non-witness books, i am beginning to question this teaching.. has anyone done any research on this particular subject.. your comments would be appreciated.

twink.

JosephMalik

Atlantis,

Good article and makes sense. There is one point that could be reconsidered however. And that is:

After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a "superior position" in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel .

This texts simply said: 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

It does not say that this Jesus is no longer a human or that he no longer possesses his human nature. In fact Jesus will use his human nature once again to rule in the promised Kingdom. In this case and at such a time even the human dead will bow their knees as a consequence of their being resurrected of course.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

This "kingdom to Israel" is to be a human kingdom just as the disciples understood after years of training by our Lord. All they had wrong was the time or season when it would become the promised reality. And the name and other things over which God hath highly exalted him are all human. Words such as heaven, and earth are used to depict human government and humanity in general. Could we say then that the name Michael is the real name of the Logos a titled position of someone of importance? I do not have a problem with that even though many put up a howl when this is discussed.

Of all such beings described in scripture only the resurrected “Jesus the Logos of John 1:1” has the right to a dual nature. In generic terms this could be called a hypostasis nature even though Trinitarians have taken this definition a bit too far.

Joseph

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Acquitted from sins?

by dothemath in

this is in reference to romans 6: 7.............often quoted from the platform- "for he who has died has been acquitted from his sin"

if the talk is regarding the future of people who have died, it's evident they will all (except those committing an unforgivable sin) have a second chance.

yet other talks emphasize the necessity of living in harmony with god's standards, and that they could be subject to a severe judgment..................eccl.

JosephMalik

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: To all, The dead spoken of in Romans are those dead in association with Christ. This was explained clearly throughout the passages. It was never intended to mean that our own death acquits us of our sins. This is not possible just as our Lord taught: Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. While disciples of our Lord can achieve acquital from their sins or Justification and Life to put it another way even before they die this does not mean that their physical death contributes to such acquittal or freedom from sin somehow. I am sure many of you are aware of the expression "saved by grace." This is why the scriptures also teach: Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die , but after this the judgment. Everyone must die (or be changed) to enter this Kingdom. There are no exceptions as the WT attempts to teach. There will not be mortal human beings in this Kingdom. No one simply lives to walk in. The result is not necessarily a resurrection (or being changed) for everyone but a judgment, yes. This is what our Lord was discussing in the illustration of the sheep and goats. During this judgment the goats are not resurrected (or changed) when our Lord returns. This is illustrated in scripture in several places so there should be no confusion. A sin against the holy spirit is not forgiven. Mt 12:31 “Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men”. Rev. 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire". We should know that what we do now matters. We should also be aware of the fact that what we will do after our resurrection if we are chosen for such resurrection for whatever reason also matters. The outcome of such judgment that most will face will be determined at an appropriate time or test. To those looking forward to only good times then, well think again. 1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. Joseph

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

JosephMalik

Cygnus,

No need to apologize for the worship given the Son. Unless we can read minds, especially the minds of those long dead there is no way for us to determine exactly what they had in mind when they offered such worship. No one seems to mind the worship given to the LORD when He was represented by Angels that appeared to man in times past. Such Angels even used His Name when they appeared to such worshippers and they accepted such worship. Is this the way it was also intended to be understood in the case of our Lord who came in the name of the LORD? You know that the word worship has many acceptable uses as well as restricted ones so how were they used by such? As the promised Messiah and King of Israel such normal use of worship is fully scriptural and acceptable in His case. And as the one that was sent forth for this mission by the LORD to represent this LORD then such restricted uses or worship would be just as acceptable for Jesus as it was for the Angels of times past. It is that simple.

Joseph

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Qu'ran beats the bible!

by DannyBloem in

for the speed of light:.

they commute to and from this preserved tablet to get their orders from god.

this is not the speed of light inside matter (example: speed of light in glass is 199,861.638 km/s; that is around 100,000 km/s slower than in vacuum).

JosephMalik

How did Muhummed who was illiterate distort the bible when he never read it? Wonder if you could without any education produce any document distorted or otherwise comparable to the Koran...

camel,

That is the same argument Mormons make for Joseph Smith so we have another simile to consider.

Did Paul write his letters personally? No! He used scribes but his writings are still credited to him. Did Muhummed have to read such letters or documents about Jesus or Paul to write about them? No! They could have simply been passed by word of mouth. How do you know? Were you there?

If Muhummed could write then he was educated enough to produce the Koran just as Joseph Smith was capable enough to produce the Book of Mormon. If not he could have used a scribe. And the influence of such scribes would be reflected in the document. Do you have any original documents written by him? How do you know that they were not altered when copied? Can you prove that he heard about Jesus and wrote about Him as a result of inspiration or could this be by means of a disciple living at the time or even documents available to him? How did he know? How do you know? There is nothing to such arguments but if you have any real proof to offer then let us see it. The fact that many fall for such lies and deception is no proof of inspiration. 1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Joseph

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Qu'ran beats the bible!

by DannyBloem in

for the speed of light:.

they commute to and from this preserved tablet to get their orders from god.

this is not the speed of light inside matter (example: speed of light in glass is 199,861.638 km/s; that is around 100,000 km/s slower than in vacuum).

JosephMalik

This was written first: 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Then this was written later: [Quran 32.5] (Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count

The Quaran is full of distortions taken from OT and NT texts. It is like their Book of Mormon an earlier attempt at such corruption in fact and does much the same for Muslems that today’s Book of Mormon does for Latter day Saints in our time.

Joseph

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What Really Is The Second Death?

by Honesty in

is annihilation taught in the following passages?

do these scriptures show that man can kill the body, but not the soul?

the greek word for "destroy" in the latter part of matthew 10:28 is apollumi (apollumi), which means "to ruin" or "to perish.

JosephMalik

The second resurrection is of both the good and the bad! The bad come back to stand "trial" for their sins, get condemned and see what they gave up and to provide "closure" for those they abused. Then they die the second death.

JC,

Awful, just awful. And that last sentence of yours? No truth to it at all.

Joseph

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What Really Is The Second Death?

by Honesty in

is annihilation taught in the following passages?

do these scriptures show that man can kill the body, but not the soul?

the greek word for "destroy" in the latter part of matthew 10:28 is apollumi (apollumi), which means "to ruin" or "to perish.

JosephMalik

Honesty,

From death there is a promise of redemption, resurrection to immortal human life in a Kingdom ruled by Christ here on earth. However when someone dies, their ultimate fate is not determined at death. No one knows who will live in such a Kingdom and who will perish forever. This is something that Christ will determine when He returns here again. Therefore not all such sleeping in death will live again. It will then become known that some have already suffered the Second death. This term is used for death from which there is no redemption or future hope of life. Even those restored to life again may not prove worthy and fail. In such cases they will suffer Second death both literally and figuratively. From death there is hope. From Second death there is no hope for future existence or life by resurrection. This permanency is like one being burned up eternally and that is the way it is depicted in Scripture.

Joseph

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

JosephMalik

Cygnus,

Thanks for the kind words. It is remarkable how everyone wants to blame Demons for everything as if they were on a Witch_hunt as they read scripture. Yet such Egyptians that left with the Israelites were eye witnesses to the miracles performed by Moses and embraced YHWH the God of Moses when they left their country or first estate. They were indeed messengers (angels) to such facts as were the Israelites. Important lessons that should have been learned from this are lost because of such shortsightedness. But now at least we can better understand how translation plays an important role in such thinking.

Consider the Kingdom for example. It is difficult to imagine how anyone resurrected into this Kingdom as an immortal human being could fail the final test, but many will. After witnessing the greatest miracles of all time how could they rebel? This is but one analogy that can be made of those events. It is not over until it is over and we are not there yet. At least Jude knew about such shortcomings and was making them known in his day.

Joseph

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

JosephMalik

Well Kenneson, that is not my problem. You can believe what is in such commentaries if you like.

Joseph