Posts by JosephMalik

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NO Evidence of a "faithful slave" from the 1st Century till Russell...dumb Watchtower logic!

by Witness 007 in

dumb logic.

the 1996 yearbook {i think} says the "faithful slave" has been doing its job since the first century till now 1,900 years...ummm what?.

the watchtower praises martin luther, william tyndale {bible translator} and some others and some small extinct groups who rejected the trinity...but on the whole there is no evidence anywhere of a "slave class" even in all of christendom.

JosephMalik

But there is evidence that James and the congregation in Jerusalem was wrong and did bad things. Where? Here!

Acts 21:18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

How about that. James telling Paul that he was wrong and to prove it to them all that he also kept the Law. They (James and the elders present) as well as the thousands of believers there were still keeping the Law and wanted Paul to show that he was as well. This was something that was supposed to have been resolved some 14 years earlier but now they are showing Paul that it was not. And Paul was the one that had things wrong. Their letter was not intended for him to follow, oh no it was only for the Gentiles. No wonder they stay away from these verses.

Joseph

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Wilbur Lingle, author of the new book "What The Watchtower Society doesn't Want You To Know"

by koolaid-man in

jw
friends

the jehovah's witnesses, come to your door with promises of "great love", inner peace, and a utopian future.

but what are they not telling you?

wilbur lingle, author of the new book, "what the watchtower society doesn't want you to know" puts in to layman's language his many years of documented research about the inner workings of the society, including the true character of its leaders, the false phrophecies they have made, their strange doctrines and ideas, etc.

JosephMalik

PalTalk is down right now in case any tried to log in. They are having server problems but hopefully it will be up and working by 7pm est. If not the show should be on the SixScreens site in a few days. Ops. It just came back up. Hopefully it will be working ok tonight.

Joseph

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

JosephMalik

This is completely false and they know it.

jonathan,

Even some Catholics are rejecting the Trinity doctrine now and more are being enlightened. There was a discussion of this phenomenon on Channel C a few weeks ago. I did not come up with this because of the JW's. They keep getting details wrong and do not understand it themselves. The conclusions I came to were a product of my own research and a careful study or scripture and the way Trinitarian authors use texts. What others believe is not my problem.

Joseph

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

JosephMalik

John means to convey that the Word has the same NATURE as God.

Sd-7,

And does that mean that the Angels or not the same NATURE as God? They appear before God as well like the Word did. And instead of saying that John means to convey something about the NATURE of God, could it be that John was simply conveying the fact that the Word was being made God to the human race he created as the verses were provided for them? He was given authority over the human race and would be shown by John as looking out for it. That is after all what John is talking about when he traced our life back to its source and completed the genealogy lists given in Matt. And Luke. And his disciples acknowledged this fact, Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God which in verse 31 explained that such use meant the Christ the Son of God. This human Son standing before Thomas, the way Adam should have been if he did not sin. So does this make two God’s when the authority that God has is passed to another to perform this task for him? No! Why! Because the title God is not a personal identity. Applying this word to someone else like the WORD that was with God does not make them the Supreme Being. Heavy use of it to the Supreme Being tends to make us think that it does but the word God can be used of others without making two God’s or another Supreme Being. In fact since it was used for Moses. the Kings of Israel, Judges of Israel, and even the Devil, and we do not think of them as the Supreme Being our Lord could use it in his defense when they tried to stone him. If we believe the scriptures that teach that there is only one God, Jas 2:19 “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” well then maybe it is time to rethink such other uses of this word in scripture that do not violate this truth. We do not step on one truth to make another because of such use of this word in the text. To put it another way: 2Jo 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. You see that is another truth that does not support the concept to three persons needed to make up this one God.

Joseph

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Wilbur Lingle, author of the new book "What The Watchtower Society doesn't Want You To Know"

by koolaid-man in

jw
friends

the jehovah's witnesses, come to your door with promises of "great love", inner peace, and a utopian future.

but what are they not telling you?

wilbur lingle, author of the new book, "what the watchtower society doesn't want you to know" puts in to layman's language his many years of documented research about the inner workings of the society, including the true character of its leaders, the false phrophecies they have made, their strange doctrines and ideas, etc.

JosephMalik

For those that have high long distance charges, you should be able to listen to this program on PalTalkScene under Religion and Spirituality, Christianity, SixScreensofthe Watchtower. This room should come alive about a half hour before the program starts. PalTalk can be Googled and downloaded for free if you do not have it. Enjoy the program.

Joseph

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Lurkers! Beware The Witness Wicked Imagination!

by metatron in

jw
friends

welcome to all, including you silent lurkers --- and yes, bethel monitors, too.. apparently, i am defined by the watchtower society ( of pennsylvania and new york) as an "apostate".. however, i want you to know that i do not participate in any orgies.

i do not worship satan.

i am not addicted to, nor do i use illegal drugs.

JosephMalik

the Watchtower Society must falsely 'demonize' its opponents as utterly awful, wicked people.

Metatron,

Is wicked as bad as RAT? That is what they called me when I was invited into a paltalk room last Sunday to discuss mistakes that I claimed they were making when I was on another site. And it was over some simple things like who did our Lord accept as his 12th apostle and was Passover observed on the 14th or 15th of Nisan. I have been out for so long that I have forgotten how bad they really were and still are for that matter. It did not matter to them what the scriptures taught. They simply kept insisting that I was wrong. It only mattered to them that I was once baptized and left because their doctrine was false. Now if anyone of them is still interested in the answer they can look at my argumentation at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/paul.html or http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/ch9notes.txt I was going to upgrade that article on Passover and have a new one in html but what's the use? Like you say they do have an imagination, and wicked is a good description of it.

Joseph

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Do you think ex Jehovah's Witnesses make better people?

by kriptonian7 in

i am new to this forum and i just stumbled upon it and have been intrigued with the comments and experiences.

i have not been envolved for a long time now but my entire family is still is.

grandparents, mother, my step dad, and my entire family on my grandmothers side.. but most everyone here, from what i have noticed, has strengthened my belief that if you were a jw at one point, you now are a stronger and better person for it.

JosephMalik

Do you think ex Jehovah's Witnesses make better people?

No! But it does make a lot of disturbed people that would have been better of if they never were involved.

Joseph

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Is the WT misinterpreting Newton? What does "mortal" mean?

by Open mind in

yesterday's (18 october, 2009) wt lesson had a picture of milton & newton with a caption that said both men "knew" about the hope of living forever on earth.

(interesting it didn't say they "believed" it.

that's just a side point to this thread.).

JosephMalik

Gal. 4:26 calls it Jerusalem which is above.

Leolaia,

This verse as do many others are a problem for the WT and others that look at such texts as if altitude or location is being discussed. What Paul was really discussing is their dependence on the Law covenant and how things would work out in such a Jerusalem that did not require it. He gave this illustration about it. 21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. This promise was above such Law for this Jerusalem above would be based upon it. It would be superior to such Law that enslaved them and be like the freewoman that appeared to be barren but would bear more children than such Law keepers. This is explained like this: 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. While some verses are interpreted with height or location in mind and that people will be selected to go to such a place I have not found any text that teaches this doctrine. The real point such verses make is that the place where all men will reside is a place blessed by and authorized by God and called heaven or heavenly by Jewish writers for such reasons. Such use of words reflects their custom and in similar texts can be shown like this:

Mt 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Lu 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

What may look like location at first when we see words like heaven becomes nothing more that Jewish custom when God or a higher authority like something approved by God is being discussed.

Joseph

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Is the WT misinterpreting Newton? What does "mortal" mean?

by Open mind in

yesterday's (18 october, 2009) wt lesson had a picture of milton & newton with a caption that said both men "knew" about the hope of living forever on earth.

(interesting it didn't say they "believed" it.

that's just a side point to this thread.).

JosephMalik

physical body on earth is a senseless idea.

hamilcarr,

In our present condition yes, But if something called immortality which we do not understand at present becomes part of our human existence, then yes. There is more to the story though and that we will learn later.

Joseph

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Is the WT misinterpreting Newton? What does "mortal" mean?

by Open mind in

yesterday's (18 october, 2009) wt lesson had a picture of milton & newton with a caption that said both men "knew" about the hope of living forever on earth.

(interesting it didn't say they "believed" it.

that's just a side point to this thread.).

JosephMalik

Is their definition of "mortals" as used by Newton valid?

Open mind,

No! What is promised in scripture is: 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Only after this putting on of immortality by humans can Newton or anyone elses say; and that not only for 1000 years, but even for ever.”

Joseph