Posts by frigginconfused

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Jehovah correcting the organization

by sabastious in

read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.

story of jonah would work great too.

the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?

frigginconfused

Alice. I dont like your tone. I am not some bitter ex JW. I am a man of God. The only reason Im not a JW is because I tested it and it failed me. Who is to say I wont make it back there. But you attacking me wasnt called for. Not very christian at all. You proved my point about trying to be different...

Because you do not continue running with them in this course to the same low sink of debauchery, they are puzzled and go on speaking abusively of you. 1 Peter 4:4

If others speak abusively (bashing as you say), that doesn't bother my self-esteem at all, it just clarifies the prior point I made.

The WT uses this scripture to "prove" they are the right religion because they get spoken abusively of. I think they are missing the point. If they werent so friggin weird and drawing negative attention they might get more followers. But they make huge deals of insignificant things and put people on guard. Being different for differents sake is not the same as being persecuted in a world of wrong when you dare to be the only follower of God. You only have one chance to make a good impression. So why does the WT come off full of it self. Looking down on everyone with disgust.

JW's are like that kid that had the thick coke bottle glasses and ate boogers and glue. He is a nice and loving kid. So why do the other kids torment him? Because his actions set him apart in a negative way. Not because he is righteous and persecuted. Get the kid some contacts and teach him how to form and maintain healthy relationships and you fix the problem. Going back to the macro... JWs need tact lessons.

Why dont you try again. This time try to be humble and be the spokesman for God you should be if youre a genuine JW. Do not judge me. Do not be harsh with your words. Just help me understand. Im not asking my questions to provoke. I ask because I care for my fellow man and wish everyone to know God. By the way... Does your local elders know you are on here with us? Dont want you to have to feel guilty inside for associating with apostates.

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Jehovah correcting the organization

by sabastious in

read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.

story of jonah would work great too.

the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?

frigginconfused

I agree. The only thing between me and God is Jesus. We couldnt connect with God without him. I dont mind someone to do the books and organize things. But no man should ever get in the way of me and God. I agree with so many things the JW's say. But the things I dont are deal breakers. Kills me inside because of the cult programming. I want to feel like I am not being humble and that God will make it right. I should have more patience. I cant do it though. I physically get sick. My blood pressure gets dangerously high. So I have to be true to myself. I just wish I had a more clear cut case of what to do. I have met some really awake people. I wish I could gather them up to start a religion. Problem is none of them would agree on things. But this aloneness is not working for me. cant be a dub and cant be in the world. feels so lonley.

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Jehovah's Organization: Is It the KINGDOM of Daniel 2?

by Cold Steel in

daniel interprets a dream in which he explains there will be four world empires -- the babylonians, the persians, the greeks (under alexander) and the romans, the last of which are symbolized by the belly and legs (eastern and western).

after that, he saw that the roman empire would fragment and ultimately become ten kingdoms, being partly iron and partly clay.

it was during these "kings" that "the god of heaven [shall] set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

frigginconfused

I like this post. The if not us the who part is great! I have met some pretty enlightened elders that said this because they cant find another religion that teaches this stuff. But thats not a signal that they are the only true religion. Untill fairly recently in human history there werent jehovahs witnesses. They were created. So who is to say they werent just the stepping stone to true religion. If there is a way to form a new religion using most of the WT teachings but weed out the cult count me in. I feel like the time is right in human history to create a movement. Not a religion with leaders. A movement with all involved. But even with this men would corrupt it. So how do we get true worship? God and myself have a great relationship. But it would sure be nice to have like minded people to further my studies.

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Jehovah correcting the organization

by sabastious in

read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.

story of jonah would work great too.

the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?

frigginconfused

Alice...

Im not gonna jump on the band wagon and bash you. Instead I would like to ask you something.

-Why does the WT focus on being different so much?

I look at the org. as a person. A macro. This seems like a person that is trying real hard to stand out because of low self esteem.

-Why does the WT spend time teaching "iffy" points instead on focusing primarilly on what matters... Jesus' message.

ie: Jesus died on a cross or stake, Millions now living will never die, 1914.

-Why do witnesses still knock on doors?

The math is clear that if you want to get a worldwide message out use media. Swine flu is a great case. That message went worldwide very fast and a vaccine came just as fast. Internet, tv and radio are much more efficiant than knocking on doors and putting the housholder in a defensive stance because you are standing at thier home.

-Why is obediance stressed?

If you want to get someone to believe you are genuine you dont go around demanding obediance. Anyone claiming power over another is in grave sin. One should NEVER claim to be the end all for knowing GOD. If anything, a disclaimer should be at the front of every publication. "We do not claim to be inspired of God. The veiws stated in the following text are the work of man. Although we try to not deviate from Gods word we sometimes make mistakes and stress the importance of testing our ideas. You are ultimatley responsable to God and should never follow the words of man. We welcome new ideas and encourage you to dispute any of our teachings. Please send letters to_____".

That would show me that they were serious about finding the truth. To not take ideas from the regular Joe is not humble. If they would encourage that kind of participation, I think the numbers would increase dramaticly. I also think that the voice of God could be heard through the people. God picks some unusual characters to relay his word. People with humble beginnings. Like carpenters sons. Not men dressed up in suits sitting on thier high horse choosing what they think we need.

-Why is time not taken to worship God?

The kingdom hall is like a school. very formal and layed out with guidelines. Why dont they take the time to have guided meditation. Time to contemplate the vastness of the universe. Time to sit and connect with a higher power. Unless you know how to connect you cant really talk to God. He is always listening. But you cant hear the answers over your own loud human mind.

-Why isnt time spent on encouraging its members?

I will not accept the standard JW answer on this. You can find tons of encouragment in the pubs. But I have been a witness. Its a religion of guilt and fear. If I were running the show, everyone would be like a fierce lion! Strong and proud. Not because of being haughty. Because they know what it means to have integrity and live fearless. I come from a big familly and we build eachother up. I dont see this in the hall. Things are still clicky and segragated. I see no true love. Sure you have your best friends. But there are always the wallflowers that get left behind.

-Why are elders chosen locally?

I think this way of doing things makes a good ole' boy club. If they had to go through testing from a board, many elders wouldnt be holding positions today.

- Why are judicial comitees local? Ive seen alot of bad stuff happen because people were pushing the local agenda. Someone from out of state not involved is the only way to give fair treatment to the accused.

I could go on and on. The problem isnt easilly put down on paper. Thats why its so hard to address. But there is an underlying evil in this religion. Its looks like the truth on paper, but when you go to pick up the paper the bear trap underneath snaps on your hand and traps you.

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Holy mother of pearl, I've gotta get me one of these!

by SweetBabyCheezits in

jw
friends

"umm, excuse me, do you have this shirt in branch-dividian-brown?

jehovah's-witness-gray is so 2009.".

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frigginconfused

looks like a big target to me.

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gutted - its July, are you growing your goatee yet?

by Soldier77 in

from my previous thread on allowing beards/goatee's and the pact that you brought up.

i've started my goatee this past weekend!

came into work this morning and one guy i worked with looks at me and goes, "wtf is that?

frigginconfused

always had a beird. show me where the bible says we have to have a specific haircut and shave. i got a ponytail too.

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Speaking of dreaming of the KH

by Heartbreaker in

just last night i had a weird one.

first, it was as if i was in school, i wanted to feel like i belonged in the classroom, but i couldn't follow the conversation, and it just didn't seem right.

it was elementary school for petes sake, it just was blurry and weird.

frigginconfused

the bags are ideas. no one in the WT really knows anything and you pick up on this. you want out but you feel trapped by knowing nothing out there is going to satisfy you either.

hows that?

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Where do we go when we die

by watersprout in

jw
friends

the watchtower teaches that we return to dust.

i'm not taken with that idea!.

we are spiritual beings so where does our spirit go?.

frigginconfused

yes we are. and as long as we never become closed to new ideas we will always be open to the truth. my ideas are only based on my current knowledge. i love for people to challenge them. whenever someone comes up with something better than i have, i take their ideas on.

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Where do we go when we die

by watersprout in

jw
friends

the watchtower teaches that we return to dust.

i'm not taken with that idea!.

we are spiritual beings so where does our spirit go?.

frigginconfused

THE GLADIATOR That kind of talk is pure ignorance. You dont know what I know so how can you begin to judge me. Im not defending the JW's, all religions have truth to them. I believe with my accumulated knowledge of many religions and occult teaching that this is true. If you would have taken the time to challenge my ideas I would have gone more in depth on the transfer of energy and where the idea of being aware after death comes from.

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Where do we go when we die

by watersprout in

jw
friends

the watchtower teaches that we return to dust.

i'm not taken with that idea!.

we are spiritual beings so where does our spirit go?.

frigginconfused

If a simple man like a dentist can put me to sleep so I dont know whats going on then I think God can do it. Theres no contiousness on an operating table. Same as death. Thats the great thing about it. You die and the next day you wake up greeted by a new world. No time passes. Just like the dentist. One minute your counting to ten the next theyre shaking you to wake up and go home.