Good one! I needed a something to make me smile - thanks ! I'd love to see the look on their faces as they enter the KH and that is on the signage. Priceless.
Posts by Hadit
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28Suggest a JW year text for 2011
by JimmyPage inhow about this one?
: "we are of all men most to be pitied.
" -1 cor.
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To new Christians on JWN
by brotherdan ini wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
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Hadit
Brotherdan: I’m not sure you got the point of my post. People here are out or coming out of an abusive religion based on the bible. Judging them for being atheists or what have you by using the bible to back you up is like adding insult to injury. Some are still hurt. That’s all I’m trying to say. We’ve all been judged enough. Of course neither side has the right to judge! We are all in a constant learning process.
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To new Christians on JWN
by brotherdan ini wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
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Hadit
Brotherdan, I can see that you are a sincere individual. You are entitled to your thoughts and opinions just like we all are. On that note, I do believe you need to reread your own posts to see that many things that you are saying will be found as insulting and demeaning to many people here. Your post hit a nerve with me as coming across as elitist. We’ve just come out of an organization that is elitist and I’m done with judging people – using the Bible or not. I’m not saying that you are but it did come across that way. The plain statement that there needs to be more of a Christian presence here begs the question of why?(Not that it's a bad thing but neither is it bad that they are not) People have come here because they have been suppressed, repressed, asked to have faith, no – told they MUST have faith, they’ve been put in a box and TOLD what they can and cannot do. They have been judged, mistreated, beaten by words, self-esteem stripped from them. Abused physically and mentally by men who repeatedly say they love them and base their actions on God. People should be accepted for who they are NOT what they represent or believe. People come here to get away from labels and to be accepted for just being them. The conditional love that we have been through is enough for a lifetime.
People grow, they mature, they change their views based on living and seeing and experiencing. It’s an ebb and flow of ideas and beliefs. We have not been allowed to do that! People need to find their own path. I am not against any belief system – we do what we can to survive. We are free to use our thinking abilities. It is NOT what we believe that makes us content or good people – it is what WE DO.
You said: I know, from my experience, that I could not be content knowing that there was nothing beyond myself. And when the Bible says that there is contentment only in knowing God, I believe it. I find GREAT contentment in knowing God.
You don’t want to believe you are alone and thus you look for justification to find that you are not. There is nothing wrong with wanting to believe something and looking for ways to support it. However, many others may feel the same BUT want the evidence of that rather than relying on their own wants or on faith. Just because I want and believe in something does not make it so.
I myself don’t know what to believe right now – I WANT to believe in God and I want to believe that the Bible is God’s word and that we have some other great fantastic life after this. Fact is I don’t know. My wanting it doesn’t make it so. Nobody has all the answers.
The Bible’s authenticity is a whole other topic. The Bible has been used for centuries to abuse and control; especially to control women. I have a real problem with the fact that it is in men’s hands and they say it is from God. They have done a LOT of damage. You would think that seeing all this abuse God would step in and make himself KNOWN to all. He apparently spoke thousands of years ago – why not now?
All scripture is inspired of God . . . inspired as in God communicated it to them OR inspired by their own thoughts of God? Big difference. I wasn’t there to authenticate it. As for prophecy – I’m sure people have a problem with that because WE CANNOT for sure know when books were written. They can and have been tampered with.
Sorry for the long winded post. I know your words are not meant to be cruel. You seem to be a loving and caring individual trying to find your own path and keep your faith in God your own way.
The only way to find truth is to challenge what we already believe. If it’s true it will stand up.
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Help me go to sleep!
by asilentone ini am worried about my df'd friend, see my previous thread.
he is a good guy.
he has tons of friends.
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Hadit
Sorry about your friend. I hope things work out. Two sleeping pills?? Have a good sleep. Hope it's better for you in the morning!
BTW - there are other methods to help you sleep and destress . You know . . . warm milk and such.
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Is My Co-worker a JW?
by White Dove inin my nervousness, i inadvertently deleted a well thought out post.
here is the short version:.
my co-worker shuns me completely unless i ask him work related questions.. he treats everyone else nicely and jokes with them, but not with me.. he can't bring himself to even look in my direction.. when i walk up to the area he's in, he hightails it to somewhere else.
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Hadit
Is it at all possible that he LIKES you and has a crush on you? Some guys get stressed right out and can't handle interaction with you if they are crushing. Just a thought. You could also just ask him in a friendly manner if you have done anything to offend him. That might open the door for further questions and/or a resolution.
No fun being in that situation day in and day out. Good luck!
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Jesus warned us about JWs!
by 3Mozzies inluke 21:8. .
american standard version (asv).
he said, watch out that you dont get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, i am he , and, the time is at hand.
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Hadit
Great information everyone!
OMG! That question box article made me so angry when I first saw it and it still does. I pointed it out to my husband and he said there is nothing wrong with what they are saying! AHHHH! The mind control is so frustrating.
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How it happened....
by AK - Jeff ini was reflecting today on just how it happened.
how did i, a man who believed himself to be a clean worshiper of the most holy god, have a crisis of faith that resulted in my current state of affairs?
how did i get here, when i was not sure even which way the wind was about to blow me?.
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Hadit
Thanks for sharing that Jeff. Great writing skills. I enjoyed reading about your journey. We sure have been letting life pass us by while in the org. You're right - life should not be taken for granted. So much to learn and see and do and share.
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no more lurking...hello eveyone
by Evidently Apostate inabout a year ago i went through a mild meltdown.
it hit me fast i had panic attacks and became angry with all the control in my life.
(being a jw) i had just found out i was being screwed on a real estate development project by another self righteous jw i have known for a long time but this was a big loss (about 4 months pay plus expenses).
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Hadit
Welcome Evidently Apostate! We are not meant to be controlled and thus the panic and anxiety - it's bound to happen. Good for you for being patient with your wife. That is a very hard thing to do. Hopefully she will wake up and appreciate the true love you have for her as opposed to the conditional love in the org.
There is a lot we can learn from each other here and share the journey to healing.
I wish you all the best! Take care.
Hadit
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(How the governing body) talks to the rank and file!
by Leprechaun inthe leaders (the governing body) talk to the rank and file like they are senseless little children it makes me sick.
its the pied piper syndrome, we dont want to offend jehovah blah blah blah, respect your body of elders and those taking the lead blah blah blah, are you keeping your selfs spotless and unblemished from the world, i have heard so much controlling and manipulative catch phrases, i swear the society must have paid a psychologist to come up with all this shit.
(well, i got that out of my system.
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Hadit
The way they talk to the R&F is the whole point. They don't want to encourage independence, self-esteem or maturity. If they encouraged any of that then they would have no members. They want to keep you down and feeling inadequate to take care of yourself and your own life.
They stunt the natural progression of life by keeping people in a dependent childlike state. This causes all sorts of cognitive dissonance, mental and emotional distress and physical illness both chronic and acute.
What they do is evil. It's a power trip of great proportions.
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"...the times we are living in..."
by bez inso, just had one of our 'elders' ring to see how we are getting on and if we need any help etc.. when my hubby was honest and said we were ok and that we had decided to just move on with our lives and our family right now and concentrate on that and nothing else, but thanked him for their interest and care over last few months.... he replied by saying, ok, he would let the body of elders know this???
?, and he also reminded him to not forget "the times we are living in".... my husband told me the conversation after coming off the phone and now i feel, after being on a high the last couple of weeks (despite coming off my anti-d's cold turkey, drs orders) , i feel now actually really crap, quite scared and once again like i am making a bad decision for my kids... what is wrong with me!!!.
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Hadit
Hugs to you! Hang in there. Your cult programming circuits fire up once in a while and is very normal. The more education and information you give your brain to feed on the less and less the cult programming kicks in. Living and loving help to heal as well. It is hard with kids I know. The advantage is that yours are young so there is less indoctrination to deal with. They adjust much faster than we do. Have them invite kids over from school or have them join clubs or other activities and soon they will have many new friends. The unconditional love that your children will receive from you is so much more than they will ever receive from the conditional friends at the KH. You are giving your children a much better chance of being well adjusted, happy and have self-esteem than continuing to raise them in an evironment where constant conditions are forced upon them.
Excellent points from everyone! It's sure a different and much bigger picture than we have been taught.
Enjoy your freedom! All the best to you all.