Posts by ambersun

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Jehovah the lunatic god

by transhuman68 in

i was virtually a born-in dub, as my mother was baptized when i was four or five; i was the bible study of two separate long-suffering brothers in my home cong before i walked out, never getting baptized.. i absorbed all the teachings of the witnesses, and always believed that the bible was in some way the word of god.

now i am re-reading living in sin, by john shelby spong.. although at the time he wrote the book he was a bishop of the episcopal church, he states that the bible, or at least the hebrew scriptures, was written by the israelites using their imaginary god to explain their victories and defeats; to provide an explanation of their history.. i had always taken it for granted the god had chosen the israelites to be his people: but maybe they chose god.. why would the creator of the universe choose an obscure tribe in the middle east, leading them back and forth across the desert and in and out of captivity, interfering with everything they did; while totally ignoring everybody else living on the earth at that time?.

a modern analogy would be god coming to earth and choosing the brooklyn dodgers as his chosen team and ignoring every other team, and coaching them so the dodgers would always win.. what sort of petty, bored, lunatic bigoted god would do that?.

ambersun

Why would the Creator of the universe choose an obscure tribe in the Middle East, leading them back and forth across the desert and in and out of captivity, interfering with everything they did; while totally ignoring everybody else living on the earth at that time?

transhuman68, this makes perfect sense to me. I always used to wonder why God was so obsessed with the Middle East and surrounding areas and one tribe in particular, who always seemed to be either letting him down, or getting themselves in a right pickle.

When the Israelites were trundling about aimlessly in a desert somewhere, why on earth didn't God either chuck a map down with the manna or look to see how people in Europe or China were getting on, and maybe give them a crack at being the 'chosen people'?

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Did you really pay attention at conventions or assemblies?

by donny in

a co-worker of mine whose family (2 daughters, wife) are jw's related a funny story yesterday.

his wife and daughters missed the friday portion of the convention last week in order to attend a wedding of a worldly relative.

at dinner she mentioned to him that she would go to the convention this friday to make up for the one she missed.. he then asked why and she said so she could get the information she missed.

ambersun

I just asked my husband if he paid attention at conventions and he said of course not, he never listened to a thing, he only ever had one thing on his mind - to eye up the crumpet. Oh well, I hope it was all worth it cos he ended up with me

As for me, I was a bit like exwhyzee and zoned in and out with some part of my brain aborbing enough of the droning to get me through being quizzed later, waking up to clap enthusiastically when the tone of voice announced it was finally the end of yet another monotonous session so I could escape for a bit, and obviously eye up the talent.

Oooh I wish that streaker had been at one of our conventions

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A sad thought

by dgp in

yesterday afternoon, the sad thought popped into my mind that, apparently, some witnesses could be made to believe anything provided it appears on the magazines.

if they said that accepting blood is now ok, many would take transfusions, and that would sort of make sense.

but if they also said that hell is a physical place after all, many would accept that, too.

ambersun

It kind of leaves me the impression that, for some people, the entire faith is no more than obedience. Do as you're told. Don't question, don't think, don't allow yourself too much independence.

Maybe this is a mistaken impression. But I am sure that mere obedience is the idea that pervades the organization from top to bottom. What I mean is, all the leaders, from the governing body down, only expect everyone else to take orders. What those orders are is a secondary matter.

Your observations are spot on dgp.

It's not just sad but very, very scary. If they are told to jump, the only question they need to ask is "how high?"

Obedience without question to the GB is everything.

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America Never Even Joined The League Of Nations!

by BluesBrother in

my knowledge of modern history might be a little thin, gained largely from the books of the wts and the "outworking of prophecy", so humour me if this is common knowledge to everyone else.. the wts has identified the characters in revelation 13 as being 1) the two horned beast = anglo american power, and 2) an image of the beast = the league of nations and later on the u.n.o.

but really it was only an image to the wild beast.. wt 1986 2/1 p6.

they did this by getting the nations to make an image to the wild beast.

ambersun

Thanks for that BluesBrother. That is a fantastic find which I have bookmarked. I am frankly astounded!

Having been brought up on statements like these, I had firmly believed that the U S A had been an integral member of that League in 1919.

Yes, you and me both!!

And to everyone who already learned about this at school, I was usually staring out the classroom window with fairies dancing round in my head

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Most annoying quotes you are going to hear from JW's

by XPeterX in

jw
friends

something like: "would jesus do that/go there?

" i tell them: "would he own a luxurious bmw or mercendes?".

what are some quotes/expressions invented by jw's that really pissed you off?.

ambersun

In the New System I'm going to ..............

Ooh yes, I forgot that one. Also:

There will be plenty of time for a career / recreation in the New System

Why do you want to go to Art College when you can be taught by Leonardo or Michelangelo in the New System?!!!

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Most annoying quotes you are going to hear from JW's

by XPeterX in

jw
friends

something like: "would jesus do that/go there?

" i tell them: "would he own a luxurious bmw or mercendes?".

what are some quotes/expressions invented by jw's that really pissed you off?.

ambersun

We don't do that!

The World's Christmas (what planet do they think they are living on?)

Any sentence including 'The Truth'

Overheard at the end of every meeting in any congregation: Sister A to Sister B "Wasn't that a lovely meeting, did you enjoy it?" Sister B to Sister A "Oooh yes, didn't Brother Boring give a lovely talk" -- No, the meeting was not enjoyable and Brother Boring's talk sent most of the congregation to sleep but heaven forbid that anyone would actually admit to that!!!!

Plus everything that everyone has said so far aaaaahhhhhhgggg

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WT comment 'people who leave the org who seem happy are fooled by satan?!?'

by darth frosty in

jw
friends

this was a comment made at the past wt study (6/27).

from what i know the wt from sunday had something to do with christ (just read title of blondies comments.

so what was the purpose of such a comment?

ambersun

Very sorry to hear about your loss aquagirl, but glad to know you are enjoying life outside the organisation.

Take care xxxxx

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WT comment 'people who leave the org who seem happy are fooled by satan?!?'

by darth frosty in

jw
friends

this was a comment made at the past wt study (6/27).

from what i know the wt from sunday had something to do with christ (just read title of blondies comments.

so what was the purpose of such a comment?

ambersun

It's laughable really, isn't it. The world outside the Organisation is such a terrible place under the influence of Satan and devoid of God's spirit. How could any JW possibly be happy if they have left the 'Truth' to go and live in such a dark and dismal environment?

All us ex JWs who no longer have the GB telling us what to do every day are in a living hell of chaos and misery, devoid of all hope as we hurtle towards this elusive Armageddon which is still sooooooo close.

The problem is, we don't realise all this is happening because - horror of horrors - we are all being fooled by Satan into believing we are actually living happy, contented, well adjusted and fulfilled lives on our own terms and thinking for ourselves instead of being little robots pandering to the whims of the GB.

Yes, we are all being tricked into believing we are happy. Let's all hurry back to the Borg quickly before it is too late

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Why has God allowed this to go on for so long

by watersprout in

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friends

why has god allowed this system to go on for soo long?

he's god he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone!

why have the billions that have lived on this earth had to suffer for what two people did in eden?.

ambersun

A god of love could NOT sit by and 'allow' suffering any more than you could!

This has always bugged me, how a loving God could sit back and watch people living miserable, painful existences and being murdered in unspeakably horrific manners generation after generation after generation without stepping in and saying "enough!"

If we knew any of our children were doing unspeakable things to other children we would step in and do something about it immediately.

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What books, songs, artists, movies, etc were banned in your JW home?

by serenitynow! in

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friends

my mother was very strict about entertainment.

in school i was doing a project about teen suicide and had checked out some books on suicide and abortion.

i had alot of explaining to do for that.

ambersun

All pop music was banned in our house for being demonic - no exceptions.

Most films. Only old black and white pre WWII films and musicals were deemed suitable and safe to watch without censor.

Toby jugs, horse brasses, those little troll dolls (pre Smurf days).

In more recent years, Soap operas (like Coronation Street).

Anything even remotely connected with spiritism or magic - the list is endless.

Anything even remotely connected with 'false religiion' - again, the list is endless.

Just like serenitynow's Mum, my Mom has also mellowed a lot over the years and my teenage niece is allowed to listen to pop music and watch TV and films in Mom's living room with no interference. She still won't let me watch Coronation Street when I'm visiting though