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  The Infamous May 15th 1984 Watchtower "1914: The Generation That Will Not Pass Away"

  by PublishingCult in

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  i do not know how the blogger who posted this infamous wt cover (5/15/84) got all the names of those who posed for this magazine cover, or whether the names are even correct, but if he got it right, man, what a provocative statement.. .

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  ambersun

  I can remember being amazed when I first saw that WT back in 1984, thinking even back then how the WTS were really sticking their necks out with that one, and wondered if they were actually painting themselves into a corner. Now, over a quarter of a century later, it is quite obvious that is EXACTLY what they have done! Well done to whoever came up with all the names and dates of all those who were not supposed to 'pass away'.

  It would be good if as many JWs as possible could see that updated image. Anyone who had doubted the WTS's teachings on the 1914 generation back in 1984 would have been severely reprimanded if not DF'd. Now, with the 'New Light', we know they will try to excuse it away as being an 'overlapping generation', and most of them will no doubt dismiss it out of hand, but hopefully it might create a spark of doubt in some of their minds.

  Again, well done
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  easy work today talking to 6 jw's

  by JunkYardDog in

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  i asked for the mag's then asked them what in the world makes them jw's think they are jehovahs people?

  they said the preaching work.

  i had a field day exposing the false prophices of the preaching work done by the wts/ jw's just in the last 50 years.

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  ambersun

  It is actually amazing that the sheep have no idea about loads of things that have happened in the JW history.

  I quite agree. I tend to forget this sometimes, and recently mentioned Rutherford's mansion Beth Serim to a JW relative who has been in the organisation 50 odd years. I had come to consider all Rutherford's exploits as common knowledge due to the discussions on this board and other sites, Beth Serim being frequently discussed with pictures of it on the internet for all to see.

  She had never heard of it!

  Trouble is, after a few minutes of explaining all about Beth Serim and why it was built, and how Rutherford had a wonderful time living in it, I could sense the lack of interest. I noticed her eyes had already glazed over and her mind was elsewhere. I saved my breath as there was absolutely no point continuing. Sad.
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  Out of the mouths of babes. 1983 yearbook.

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  1983 yearbook p11.. the puerto rico branch tells about an interested person who was studying with a special pioneer but whose husband showed no desire to do so.

  one day his five-year-old daughter said, "daddy, i want to grow up so i can be baptized.

  " later she said, "daddy, please study the bible with jehovah's witnesses so that you will not be destroyed and then you can be with us in paradise.

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  ambersun

  "Daddy, please study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses so that you will not be destroyed and then you can be with us in Paradise."

  If the average JW were to read about any other religious organisation scaring young children half to death with threats about God killing one of their parents unless they joined that particular religion, they would no doubt be horrified and appalled.

  Yet somehow they find it quite acceptable to do this to their own children.
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  wt 7/1/11: Darwin a racist

  by ParadiseCircus in

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  ambersun

  Wow, great find snowbird!

  Trouble is, if you showed this quote to the average JW they would put it down to the fact that Russell did not know any better at that time. After all, he did not have the 'new light' that Jehovah has been constantly giving us throughout the last Century, resulting in all the changes to basic JW doctrines to a point when many of Russell's teachings are totally obsolete now.

  However, I bet they would still reckon there was no excuse for Darwin.
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  wt 7/1/11: Darwin a racist

  by ParadiseCircus in

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  ambersun

  It has always amused me how the WT literature and calendars depict Jesus as a well groomed white middle class American who has just had his hair cut by a top Brooklyn stylist lol.

  To try and accuse Darwin of being a racist is rather unfair I feel, as he was living in a different time period when many white people were indoctrinated from childhood into believing they were superior human beings.
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  Sometimes You Just Gotta Score One For the Cult Members

  by PublishingCult in

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  i really don't care much for jw's at my door, or at anyone's door.

  this chauvinistic, fanatical bully-a-hole, however, is one of the worst examples of a christian i have ever seen.

  the jw's handled themselves very well in the face of this ridiculous bullying and taunting by this so-called christian attempting to school the jw's about god and the bible.

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  Oh yes AK, we had a CO back in the '60s who was very much like that guy in the video. As I was a pioneer back then, I worked with him a lot (the whole congregation was scared of him but for some reason he was really nice to li'l old me lol) and what amazed me most was how he managed to get through each day without getting arrested or at least punched in the mouth by at least one of the householders he insulted!

  If no-one answered the door and he knew they were in, he would go round the back and get into their gardens. One young woman was sunbathing in her bikini and had the shock of her life when she looked up to see us both staring down at her. She screamed "Get out!" . I was slowly backing my way back down the garden path while he carried on 'witnessing' to her while she tried to cover her modesty
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  Sometimes You Just Gotta Score One For the Cult Members

  by PublishingCult in

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  i really don't care much for jw's at my door, or at anyone's door.

  this chauvinistic, fanatical bully-a-hole, however, is one of the worst examples of a christian i have ever seen.

  the jw's handled themselves very well in the face of this ridiculous bullying and taunting by this so-called christian attempting to school the jw's about god and the bible.

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  I cringed watching that awful video. Nobody deserves to be hounded and bullied like that. The way he treated that poor sister was disgusting!! What a totally obnoxious man!!!
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  Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

  by metatron in

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  in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

  these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

  do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

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  If disfellowshipping is openly motivated by getting back with your cultish relatives, then what, pray tell, does that have to do with repentance towards God?

  Very good point. This is something that has ALWAYS bugged me right from the start, as it should be obvious to anyone that if a person has serious doubts about their religion, the situation is not going to miraculously change simply as a result of being shunned by their loved ones!

  What a wonderful, Christian attitude. Keep your doubts to yourself and tow the line like a good little JW, or we will make sure you will never speak to your loved ones again. As you say, what on earth has this got to do with repentance towards God??!!

  My own JW relatives know how strongly I feel about the shunning policy, and that the last thing I would do is crawl back to the KH on bended knee begging for forgiveness if they were to shun me, which should hopefully indicate to them how inaccurate this particular Watchtower study article is and will hopefully make them stop and think. One can but hope
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  This may be the week I blow my stack

  by Sargeant Pepper in

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  i don't say much, but this could be the week!.

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  ambersun

  When my grandfather died a couple years back I was shunned by noone! I walked into the hall expecting not to be shunned.

  Hopefullly it can serve as a reminder that the majority of the people are good but truly "captives of the concept"

  We had a similar experience to you, pbrow, when MOL passed away. MOL had been a very active and prominent JW sister for well over 40 years and the service was undertaken by an elder who had been brought into the 'truth' by her. As you can imagine there was a massive turn out for her funeral, nearly all JWs, but I stood by Hubby's side (both of us having been DA'd for many years) and we received nothing but warmth and sympathy by everyone as we thanked them for their support.

  We did not expect to be shunned and if anyone had DARED to shun my husband at a time of his loss, I would not have hesitated in confronting them and asking them if God would not expect them to show a bit of compassion to a man who was mourning the loss of his mother. Believe me, I would NOT have let them get away with it!!!

  My deepest sympathies for your loss and anyone else who is grieving at this time.
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  Hi from Andy from state of Montana, introduce myself

  by andys in

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  hi wanted to introduce myself, i wanted to intoduce myself once all the dust cleared more and i am thinking more clearly, in feb. 2011 is when i decided to leave jw, my way out of the organization has actually been since july of 2010 gradually over time i started to question the jw religion, in july of 2010 i was still living at home with my parents, my dad at the time told me he was going to force me to go to meetings but i started to drift out the other way it got to the point where my dad told me i had to eventually leave, in november of 2010 alot of things happened, i was finally able to find my own place, just at the right time i found a very good deal on a duplex for $350 a month something that i can easily afford even on low income, usually alot of places even where i live are around $600 a month, in alot of ways i just about nearly was homeless.. in feb. of 2011 is when i decided to read the book crisis of conscience, the very first night getting through 80 pages is when my blindfolds came off, i immediatley accepted christ as my savior, also in the process i did alot of extensive research, i did research on alot of mainstream religons, also jwfacts.com helped me out alot on where to go, i decided to check out the baptist church, everything was beyond what i expected, i am not afraid to walk into a different church to me its helping me heal all the pain that the jw religon has caused, also recently i got baptized and now am a born again christian.. .

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  Welcome andys