Nice comments from everyone using their independent thinking BUT all those dates got debunked BEFORE the Zions watchtower by the American war of 1812 army captain who started it in the first place Terry's masterpiece http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/132920/1/THIS-IS-THE-MAN-WHO-MADE-IT-ALL- Luke 21:8
He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, 'I am he,' and, 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them.
Do not go after them!
jeovagood
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generation teaching reconsidered
by inbetween inwas thinking about this new generation teaching, and to some extend it makes sense, let me explain.. first of all, i personally believe, it only applied to jesus time, it only made sense there, and when jesus talked about it, in the year 33, this generation certainly observed the events leading to jerusalems destruction 70 ce.
( even though the context does not really give much hint, since he talks about the sign of the son of man being seen in heaven etc, something that did not happen in the first century).
the main question is, what is a generation ?.
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Who calls the shots in the Watchtower?
by dgp inlet's talk about power in the wt.
we know that the watchtower started as an all-american thing (or nearly all-american thing) but it isn't that anymore.
now the non-american brothers and sisters are the majority, and, unless i'm wrong, much of the growth is taking place in countries like mexico, brazil and others.
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jeovagood
Since 1992 all rules regulations are cleared through lawyers lawyers run the show
Not HS but lawyers
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END of the WORLD 2012 and other crap (even JW crap)
by Terry inall the myths of the world's end have no logical basis.simon baty .
media credit: jose guadalupe gonzalezphoto illustration.
violent tsunamis surging through mountaintops and thunderous earthquakes bursting apart concrete streets are just some of the elaborate plot devices behind the movie "2012" that made its way into theaters in 2009. .
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jeovagood
Like with Y2K year 2000 this apocalyptic date will come and go what is good about it is it will saturate the public on doomsayers and I think will erode the WT credibility is already starting to.
2012 is a 12 year peak sunspot plasma eject year which the worst in modern time was during the telegraph era that got fried.If this happens again the satellites and many electronics are gone.WORST every power line transformer will be busted and will take two years to replace no jobs no electricity no food at supermarkets in North America.
I have a back up generator for storm won't do me any good they might even kill me to steal it
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JW views on Mental Health & Counseling
by Confuzzled ini am considering getting couples counseling for the jw boyfriend and i. he's open to it.
he got help himself for an issue recently, but it was in the short term, and it went well for him.
i want to know if we started going regularly, and his mentor got wind of it, what are the jw views on mental health help?
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jeovagood
As of 1990 I have observed the org readily accepting professional psychiatric care.Before that going back to early 1960 big no,no.
The Watchtower responds to incoming lawsuits to adapt their policies and to humanitarian common sense once in a while too
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"The 1975 Fiasco Viewed from Inside Bethel"
by leavingwt invia the brooklyn heights blog, a former jehovahs witness, now a convert to orthodox catholicism, recounts his days as a bethelite in the witnesses' brooklyn heights headquarters, in a series of recent blog posts.
part i -- the journey from jws to the orthodox church.
http://orthocath.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/the-journey-from-jehovahs-witnesses-to-the-orthodox-church/.
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jeovagood
Part III -- When Prophecy Fails: The 1975 Fiasco Viewed from Inside Bethel
MASTERPIECE!
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jeovagood
How long did it take Adam to name the animals? Remember this? Allowed for a default failsafe in case it didn't break on October 75 that's right they had it right down to the month http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&rlz=1R2GGHP_enUS365&q=how+long+did+it+take+adam+to+name+the+animals+Watchtower+1975&fp=f8ec6c09934cc69c When Prophecy Fails — The 1975 Fiasco Viewed from Inside Bethel ... The May 1, 1975 Watchtower reported on Fred Franz's lecture: ... Also, he had Adam name the animals, which would take some time, ...
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jeovagood
I can remember clear as rain all of it back 1970-75..... the Watchtower was still buying up Brooklyn property big time and it was discussed at the service meetings how the faithful slave must be found working full speed when the master comes so he would say well done good and faithful slave.This point I am making because many were perplexed how the WT could be buying up so much if the end was that close because EVERYBODY believed in 1975.
2) Bible studies were cut to 6 months limit if you weren't baptized in 6 months you were dropped as the 1975 cut-off meant no time for procrastinators.This was begrudged by pioneers who needed their old faithful studies to get their time in.
3)Everything was focused on stay alive till 75 even a decision to postpone new roof shingles on the K-Hall
There was a huge influx who seemed to be mostly ex-hippies and a huge amount of them that left during the fallout later.The Watchtower society and the elders became very liberal after 1975 and in my K-hall you could get away with all kinds of teenage hell raising and not get Dfed.Later in 1980 I hear the first use of the apostate word use to be called evil slave as the society had it's cull of drop outs and now was re- indoctrinating the followers.
As I reflect back on the years I can see it all as a master deception that spanned many years.
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This Awake is a hard core piece of forensic evidence (everybody download to your HD and blog it) probably the best and most incriminating I remember going door to door with it and copies being saved until they were yellow and disintegrating
I was in since 1955 and remember the sensation of the 1967 red 'Life everlasting in the Freedom of the Son's of God' book released at the Ontario convention by Fred Franz himself.I was a boy sitting on the grass near the loud speakers and my seat was itching from sitting on the grass.My father yelled at me to pay attention as Freddy spoke of the famous chronological chart.
We went back to our Hotel rooms and cheerfully raved how I probably would escape the war draft we would keep the same house and not move dental braces for my younger sister could be cancelled.We were like ALL the JW's worldwide who were of the same mind.
The Watchtower deserves to burn just for this one blaspheme.
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LOVE your ENEMIES: where Jesus goes wrong
by Terry inmatthew 5:44 "but i say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,.
luke 6:35 "but love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return.
the most radical teaching attributed to jesus has implications if followed.. an invading hoarde of mongols would not be resisted.. a christian husband would not only allow his wife and daughters to be raped; he would be compelled to forgive the rapist, pray for him and offer.
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jeovagood
Didn't Jesus also say 'do not cast your pearls before swine'? He also eternally dammed his follower Judas.
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jeovagood
Jehovah's Witnesses defenders behave like classic circular reasoning cult apologist.They decry that opposers are haters and bigots,but don't or can't refute the criticisms.
EXAMPLE: They go on and on about the Bible *command* to abstain from blood but will not debate on how this applies to modern blood transfusions and how it is they they will compromise the Biblical *commandment" by using blood derived fractions and the real shocker that they allow the use of so called Hemopure that is made from Cow's blood.Their speciality *new light* esoteric doctrines unique to the Watchtower JW are man made mostly elaborated in the last 50 years and bogus.When you corner them on this point they will do skirt and divert rants about the wickedness of other religions.
Classic in your-face-blame game religious hypocrites