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How Can One Understand Prophecy Today?

by MDS in

how can one understand prophecy today?

jehovah reveals how .

"for who has stood in the intimate group of jehovah that he might see and hear his word?

Jr

Mommy,
I feel so funny calling you Mommy. You ask,

Why is it he only takes the first part of a verse and drags it over to another book in the bible and then attachs it to 1/2 a verse over there and this all fits?

But, here goes. The bible is written in such a way that other scriptures are required in order for us to see what Jehovah is revealing. Case in point: Revelation 12:5 mentions a son being born by a figurative woman. The scripture says, it will rule the earth with an iron rod. Well, what are we to make of that? We cannot identify this any further without using other prophetic books to see if there is a correlation. The rest of Revelation can't help us much. For instance, lets read Isa.66:7,8

“Before she began to come into labor pains she gave birth. Before birth pangs could come to her, she even gave deliverance to a male child. Who has heard of a thing like this? Who has seen things like these? Will a land be brought forth with labor pains in one day? Or will a nation be born at one time? For Zion has come into labor pains as well as given birth to her sons.”Isa.66:7,8

See, this prophecy says the same thing with a little more detail. In fact, it identifies the women as being “Zion”. Zion, you say. Well, who is Zion? ISRAEL! Spiritual ISRAEL! How due we know? Because this is mentioned in the book of Revelation. This is to happen in the future.
The natural Jews are no longer Israel in Jehovah’s eyes. Spiritual Israel took its place. So, Israel will expel a group of persons that will form a new “nation” of Israelites. These ones will be use by Jehovah to rule the incoming righteous new world. Yes, there will be “a new heaven and a new earth that we are a waiting in which righteousness will reside.” And the "male child" will be the new rulership. This is going to be a loving arrangement by Jehovah to keep earths affairs the way it should be.
So, it is imperative that other scriptures are used in order that Jehovah reveals his purpose.

Jr

Edited by - Jr on 6 February 2001 9:11:23

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How Can One Understand Prophecy Today?

by MDS in

how can one understand prophecy today?

jehovah reveals how .

"for who has stood in the intimate group of jehovah that he might see and hear his word?

Jr

Good one, Frenchy!

Jr

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Question for MDS and Co.

by eyes_opened in

i'm just curious, as your prophesies are directed at jehovahs witnesses, why do you keep posting to this board?

most here are having big problems with jw's, and are either already out or on our way out.

if your messages and retributions are for those who are still strongly jw, why not direct your messages at *them* me thinks you are in the wrong place.

Jr

Hi all,
yes Logical made the right observation. Most people are not as bold to speak up like many that do. But, they're reading and considering. As the scripture says "grasshopper",

"But as to this, he that sows sparingly will also reap sparingly; and he that sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver" 2cor 9:6

""Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap;...For let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due season we shall reap if we do not tire out.
Really, then as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith." Ga 6:7

Jr

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Who am I? -- Isaiah 49:1-6 Answers...

by MDS in

jw
friends

frenchy:.

...i asked questions which you cannot answer because regardless of how you answer them it will demonstrate your position and that is something that you cannot afford to reveal.. .

you are greatly mistaken.

Jr

Hi all,

Please answer something for me. If God wrote a book for EVERY man to use for salvation, then why can't EVERY man (or woman) read it and get their own correct interpretation? Why is it every religion has one correct view of scripture and none of them fits my own reading of them?

“At this they said to him: “We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter with us.” So Joseph said to them: “Do not interpretations belong to God?…” Gen40:8

He uses a specific channel of communication. That's why the scripture says,

“For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.” Amos 3:7

Jr

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Put your hands together for 'YK' !

by ISP in

jw
friends

from h2o, final post from the old warrior himself.

showing signs of battle, he is hit with realism and acceptance of the true state of the wts.

take a look at his last words.

Jr

Hi all,
I not only respect this gentle, but also see he has a good understanding of who "Spiritual Israel is. That is a lot. If you can identify who Spiritual Israel is, then you can see what is going to happen to her from the prophets. That has been a sacret secret up until our day! MDS has all of this outlined in the "REORT".

Jr

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Who am I? -- Isaiah 49:1-6 Answers...

by MDS in

jw
friends

frenchy:.

...i asked questions which you cannot answer because regardless of how you answer them it will demonstrate your position and that is something that you cannot afford to reveal.. .

you are greatly mistaken.

Jr

So, I find that everything MDS teaches is the WHOLE TRUTH!

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. John 16:9-13

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Who am I? -- Isaiah 49:1-6 Answers...

by MDS in

jw
friends

frenchy:.

...i asked questions which you cannot answer because regardless of how you answer them it will demonstrate your position and that is something that you cannot afford to reveal.. .

you are greatly mistaken.

Jr

Hi all,
In support of MDS, I too witness his activities and teachings. I'm no fool or airhead. I happen to be very skeptical. I was down right shocked to see what the scriptures were saying at first. But I recognized that this was Jehovah talking, his words! I know we say people can make the bible say anything, but you can't. Jehovah didn't make it that way. It can be used to mislead untaught ones or ones that are not familiar with the scriptures. Most of JW's that have spent their time wisely studying the scriptures know the bible better than most students of the bible, because of the fact we have identified truths that no one else wants to face.(paradise earth, One God, fleeing from idolatry, etc.) We know how to examine the scriptures and test the inspired saying. And that's good! But we have to leave room for Jehovah to continue to reveal still more truths to us. So, for most us, we can't be tricked with funny scripture combos.

Jr

Edited by - Jr on 5 February 2001 16:11:28

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How Can One Understand Prophecy Today?

by MDS in

how can one understand prophecy today?

jehovah reveals how .

"for who has stood in the intimate group of jehovah that he might see and hear his word?

Jr

Hello Mommy,

Why do you belief mds is the only one person on this planet that can interpret the bible?

This is a difficult question for me to answer and I can’t fully answer it in a seating, but I will try to lay a foundation. Being that I also believe MDS as the one spoken at Isa 49:1-6 also. First of all, the scripture quotes Jesus as saying,

"Never the less, I am telling you the truth, It is for your benefit I am going away. For if I do not go away, the helper will by no means come to you; but if I do go my way, I will send him to. And when that one arrives he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: in the first place, concerning sin, because they are not exercising faith in me; then concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will behold me no longer; then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
“I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present. However, when that one arrives, the “spirit of the truth”, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things coming. That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you. That is why I said he receives from what is mine and declares it to you. “ (John 16:7-15)
Now, I know we have been taught that this is the “holy spirit”, but is not. Because if it was then the disciples would have come into a full knowledge of the truth after 33C.E., but they didn’t. That is why Paul said,
“For we have partial knowledge and we prophecy partially; but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with…….For at present we see things in a hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known.” (1 Cor. 13:9-13)
They did not have full knowledge of the scriptures or the prophecies in the first century. So, the question surfaces, “when did this full knowledge come about”? Even though you can’t understand everything we have learned, you can see that there is someone else that the scriptures is speaking about, if you examine it closely. If you can recognize this, then you are on your way to being lead by the spirit to learn more. It is an incremental process. More to come……..

Jr

Edited by - Jr on 4 February 2001 22:24:4

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How Can One Understand Prophecy Today?

by MDS in

how can one understand prophecy today?

jehovah reveals how .

"for who has stood in the intimate group of jehovah that he might see and hear his word?

Jr

Hi all,
Frenchy, I asure you MDS is not concerned about your remarks. He is just letting your remarks stir up questioins so that he can teach others. He is not taking your your comments personal. He is more concerned about others that are examining the scriptural content of his messages, regardless of what you say.
Mommy,
you said,

Why do you belief mds is the only one person on this planet that can interpret the bible?

This is a difficult question for me to answer and I can’t fully answer it in a seating, but I will try to lay a foundation. Being that I also believe MDS as the one spoken at Isa 49:1-6 . First of all, this scripture quotes Jesus as saying,

"Never the less, I am telling you the truth, It is for your benefit I am going away. For if I do not go away, the helper will by no means come to you; but if I do go my way, I will send him to. And when that one arrives he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: in the first place, concerning sin, because they are not exercising faith in me; then concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will behold me no longer; then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
“I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present. However, when that one arrives, the “spirit of the truth”, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things coming. That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you. That is why I said he receives from what is mine and declares it to you. “ (John 16:7-15)

Now, I know we have been taught that this is the “holy spirit”, but is not. Because if it was then the disciples would have come into a full knowledge of the truth after 33C.E., but they didn’t. That is why Paul said,
“For we have partial knowledge and we prophecy partially; but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with…….For at present we see things in a hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known.” (1 Cor. 13:9-13)

They did not have full knowledge of the scriptures or the prophecies in the first century. So, the question surfaces, “when did this full knowledge come about”? Even though you can’t understand everything we have learned, you can see that there is someone else that the scriptures is speaking about coming, if you examine it closely. If you can recognize this, then you are on your way to being lead by the spirit to learn more. It is an incremental process.

I know, anybody can argue these things all day long if they want, but it will get you no where. Think about it! More to come……..

Jr

Edited by - Jr on 4 February 2001 17:4:43

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Jesus second coming in the first century

by Jr in

this discussion will be quite extensive.

so, i have broken it up in to subtopics.

it will be shared by myself and associates in the faith.

Jr

Another scripture that shows Jesus indicated that his coming was during their life time is John 16:16-19:

"In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me." Some of his disciples said to one another, "What does he mean by saying, `In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me,' and `Because I am going to the Father'?" They kept asking, "What does he mean by `a little while'? We don't understand what he is saying."
Jesus saw that they wanted to ask him about this, so he said to them, "Are you asking one another what I meant when I said, `In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me'?"

Jesus was telling them that they would see him soon. If you examine this thread and the information posted by myself and Logical with an open mind, you will see an amazing statement from the bible concerning when Jesus second coming was. How would Jesus Kingdom reign manifest itself? More to come......

Jr

Edited by - Jr on 2 February 2001 14:45:57