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  How did the JW come up with the idea that human has no soul or spirit??

  by FingersCrossed in

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  2. beliefs

  really appreaciate it if someone can tell me :).

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  Weana

  Human has a spirit, according to JWs:

  www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/soul-and-spirit-what-do-these-terms-really-mean/
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  Still Waiting For the Governing Body To Explain Their “New Light”

  by Cameron_Don in

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  2. friends

  regarding the governing bodys new light relative to matthew 24:45-47, anointedjw.org recently said the following:.

  this new light certainly poses a problem for the governing body.

  perhaps this is another reason why they have not yet published a sober and scriptural xplanation of this new light.

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  Weana

  Wouldn't that be a funny scenario:

  GB decides by majority (5 of 7, = more than 2/3) to introduce some "new light" and to present that light at the annual meeting.

  A few weeks after that decision (but still some days before that annual meeting), GB decides to appoint a new member to GB.

  That new member (as well as two of the "old" members) is not convinced of the new light.

  So the new light is presented at annual meeting, but there is no two-thirds-majority anymore (5 of 8, = less than 2/3) to publish new light in Watchtower.

  Please do not buy into such a conspiracy theory. I am fully convinced that Jehovah's spirit would protect his church against such a mess.
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  The story of Bo Juel Jensen - the man behind the Anti-Watchtower media campaign in Norway

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi guys.

  richard e. kelly has kindly contributed a great article to jwsurvey.org on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/child-abuse-2/bo-juel-jensen-could-he-be-watchtowers-worst-nightmare.

  richard tells the story of bo juel jensen, an ex-witness who has been doing marvellous work in raising awareness of watchtower child abuse mishandling in norway.. as with most child abuse victims, bo's story is a disturbing one.

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  Weana

  When Bo finally mustered the courage to tell his mother what was happening to him, both of his parents, along with Bo, went at once to the police. The police had experts talk with nine-year-old Bo, giving him immediate relief, like this was all behind him now. Everything was okay. This was a bad man who would be punished. Bo was safe now. But nothing happened, except that the molester was disfellowshipped. And the reason that nothing happened is that Bo's parents withdrew their complaint, due to the persuasive power of the elders at the Hall. "You don't take your brothers to court. Trust in Jehovah and everything will be okay." Without a complaint, the police had no case. What made it so onerous is that the predator actually confessed to molesting not just Bo, but several young children at the Hall.

  It seems that Norway has a strange laws of criminal procedures, doesn't it?

  In the western countries I know, in a criminal case, prosecutions are to be started by the state. It is the government (represented by the prosecutor) who generally brings charges against a suspect before a grand jury or a judge. If police learns about a criminal case, police is obliged to prosecute the criminal, no matter what the victim's family wants them to do.

  So, as far as I understand my own country's law system, it is never the family of the victim that decides if someone has to be accused of being a criminal. It is the state authorities who fell that decision.

  (Keep in mind, criminal procedure is not the same as civil procedure. It's clear that a civil procedure would be possible only if the victim - or his family - decides to impeach.)

  But Norwegian police knew that Bo was molested, the knew who molested him, but the police could not start prosecution because of Bo's parents' objections?? If so, Norwegian laws are even more disputable than some WTS doctrines ;-) So a short explanation of Norwegian law system would be helpful to understand what has happened in Bo's case.
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  reinstatement tries

  by Honeybucket in

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  2. friends

  i am looking for the reinstatement guidelines for someone who has been actively trying to get reinstated for 2 years and have put in a reinstatement letter 3x in those two years but was denied everytime.

  are the elders just making an example of them, have they permenately been kicked out, or maybe these people dont want to come back and this story is part of their fade.. .

  has anyone ever heard of people not getting reinstated.

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  Weana

  those elders are just doing what they were told by GB: see ks-10 11:3 and w 83 3/15 p.29
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  DF/DA for giving kid blood transfusion

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  can jws be df/da for giving their kid a blood transfusion?.

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  Weana

  First of all, wording of the question is nonsense, as it is not the parents who "give" blood to the children.

  And secondly, I don't understand some of the above answers, as the situation that the questioner might have had in mind is NOT mentioned in elders book!

  In almost all countries there is the following legal situation: Doctors caring for children have to ignore parents' refusal of vital treatment. The doctors are obliged to sustain childrens life regardless of parents' objections.

  WTS encourages parents and HLCs to look for doctors who show respect for parents' beliefs, that is, for doctors who do not give blood to JW children if not absolutely necessary from a medical point of view. But (I would see, fortunately), because of legal reasons, it is simply not possible for parents to hospitalize a minor AND to refuse vital treatment for that minor at the same time.

  I know a few cases where JW children got blood the following way: The parents told hospital that they do not like BTs, and that they would appreciate every effort to avoid BTs. But the parents accepted the doctors right to give blood anyway; e.g. parents clearly indicated that they would not hijack their own child to bring it out of hospital if a BT was imminent. Of course, in none of those cases a JC was formed.
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  Annual meeting. Greek scholars please help!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a statement from gb member gerrit losch.

  notice what is said about the fds.

  is this true?

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  Weana

  This question was based on private notes of someone who attended the Annual Meeting. Maybe that person did not understand all the arguments correct, or was not able to write down all important aspects. As we do not know the exact line of argumentation, IMHO it's useless to discuss such specifica before we can base our discussion on "official" sources like a WT study article.
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  Questions on new understanding (FDS - GB)

  by Weana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some questions arise with the new understanding:.

  was there a slave class between the 1st century and the 20th century?.

  in w march 1, 2004, it was stated, that the slave could not be a single man, because "acording to jesus words" the slave had started his work in 1st century and would still be in action in 20th century.. was the slave in action in 1914?

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  Weana

  Some questions arise with the new understanding:

  Was there a Slave class between the 1st century and the 20th century?

  In W March 1, 2004, it was stated, that the Slave could not be a single man, because "acording to Jesus words" the slave had started his work in 1st century and would still be in action in 20th century.

  Was the Slave in action in 1914?

  In W March 1, 2004, they claimed, that the slave class was in action in 1914. The Lord "found them doing so" when he arrived in 1914, and he appointed them over his domestics in 1919.

  Was Paul part of the GB?

  Up to now, it was told, that the food in the 1st century was prepared by anointed, as all the NT's writers were part of anointed class (see W March 1, 2004). Does the new understanding mean, that all NT's writers - including Paul - were part of GB?

  Who formed the GB up to 1971?

  I think, this is the easiest of these questions. They have already answered that question in jv, p.233!

  In 1971, they did not found GB; they were just expanding GB, that consisted of WTS' Board of Directors members up to that time.

  Who ist the "evil slave" (Mat 24:48-51)?

  According to W March 1, 2004, the evil slave were members of slave class in 1914.

  Due to the new understanding, they'll apply that "prophecy"(??) even more explicitely to the events of 1917...

  The paraples of the Ten Virgins and of the Slaves With Talents - do the apply to GB?

  Up to now, these parables were explained in connection with the anointed class; as these parables were told by Jesus in the context of the FDS-parable.
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  Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

  by Sauerkraut in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

  they like to quote him in publications.

  so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

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  Weana

  How does BeDuhn explain Acts 10,33 ???

  Cornelius said to Peter: "And so at this time we are all present before [enwpion] God to hear..."
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  How do we get to 1914 and then 1919?

  by God_Delusion in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  okay, this might sound like a really stupid question, but after researching this matter for the last hour, i still have no idea why the watchtower society points to 1914 and 1919 using the 70 weeks theory.. don't get me wrong, i know all about 607 b.c.e., but i am having trouble understanding why the prophecy of the 70 weeks has been added.

  whose idea was it to add the 70 week business into the mix?.

  i've researched the following websites and jwn threads so far, yet i'm still hitting blanks:.

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  Weana

  God_Delusion, you ask: "Whose idea was it to add the 70 week business into the mix?"

  I think, this was your idea. JWs do not need the 70 week business at all to get to 1914 and then 1919.
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  I need your help!!!!!!!!

  by outsmartthesystem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quick update - my wife moved out and took the kids with her while i was at work.

  she went to live with her parents.

  she took every last article of clothing and even some of her favorite furniture.

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  Weana

  Do not concentrate on religious affairs. If you start to attack your wife's religious beliefs, she will get help from WTS' lawyers. Moreover, today, no court will decide on child custody based just on the parents' religious beliefs, that would be discriminating.

  You have to point to individual mistakes of your wife.