"Bye then and don't let the door hit'cha in your big fat ass on the way out."
What makes you think I'm fat? Word to the wise: Date sooner7nc as getting your ass kicked by some wife-beater is what women want.
alice.in.wonderland
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The Jehovahs Witness family weekend
by jambon1 inhaving been out of the organisation for over 4 years and having finally released my kids from the hellish existance that is life as a jw, it struck me today how enjoyable our weekends are in comparison to when we were jw's.. the weekends are vital for us just now.
my wife doesn't work but i work full time from very early in the morning.
i don't get to see my beutiful children in the morning during the week.
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The Existence of God
by alice.in.wonderland infrom the position of the majority of posters here, it goes without question that little next to no truth is taught by the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.
if i may ask, how at this point do you relate to the existence of god?
if i may borrow from this individual: calton, a particle physicist, string theorist, cosmologist and self proclaimed theist, although at times he sounds agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
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alice.in.wonderland
"Well the real answer lies in that X - FI / T in which T ^ 5BX over the square root of Pi/0 makes it undisputable that therein lies the real answer to the question."
The above argument you are mocking can easily be disputed because scientific evidence for the existence of electrons has been well established in the scientific community even though electrons are unempirical in the double slit experiment . There's no need to resort to gibberish.
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The Jehovahs Witness family weekend
by jambon1 inhaving been out of the organisation for over 4 years and having finally released my kids from the hellish existance that is life as a jw, it struck me today how enjoyable our weekends are in comparison to when we were jw's.. the weekends are vital for us just now.
my wife doesn't work but i work full time from very early in the morning.
i don't get to see my beutiful children in the morning during the week.
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alice.in.wonderland
"great post jambon1 - we feel the same - been gone for 3 years now and we don;t have the Thursday night sweats anymore :-)
my only prayer for your children is that you do the right thing and bring them in the true faith - www.rangers.co.uk"
Ah.....I see. I bet you didn't order the $3 CD (as you instructed me to do) from the “insider who was an eyewitness to deceit” (Barbara Anderson) when you were enjoying Thursday night sweats.
This women obviously has a fan base from those with an appetite for tabloid JW sensationalism. I don't soak up this information like a mindless sponge, let alone pay any money for unconfirmed conjecture that's full of holes. Sorry for the off topic response, but things come to mind as I get to know folks on this eccentric discussion board.
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The Existence of God
by alice.in.wonderland infrom the position of the majority of posters here, it goes without question that little next to no truth is taught by the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.
if i may ask, how at this point do you relate to the existence of god?
if i may borrow from this individual: calton, a particle physicist, string theorist, cosmologist and self proclaimed theist, although at times he sounds agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
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alice.in.wonderland
From the position of the majority of posters here, it goes without question that little next to no truth is taught by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. If I may ask, how at this point do you relate to the existence of God?
If I may borrow from this individual: Calton, a particle physicist, string theorist, cosmologist and self proclaimed theist, although at times he sounds agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. I've gathered that some here would agree that:
1) Theism cannot be confirmed scientifically.
2) Theism cannot teach us scientific facts.
3) Science has played a major role in removing the need to evoke the supernatural in making sense of the observable world.
4) Methodological naturalism implies metaphysical naturalism because there is no empirical evidence of the supernatural.
5) All specific religions make demonstrably false claims.
My position: Either God has always existed or matter/energy has always existed. That's the conclusion I've come to. Some excerpts from an inquiry into this:
Has matter/energy always existed?
"I just find it odd that a true scientist does not remain humble and agnostic" - Supespook
How does humility imply agnosticism? Are you also surprised by scientists who are atheistic instead of agnostic? - Calton I am a theist because I believe it provides the greatest metaphysical explanatory power with the fewest non-trivial assumptions. I feel that naturalism, while a plausible and logically consistent worldview, ultimately runs into too many difficulties to be taken seriously. I do not assert this with a sense of brute dogmatism, but rather as my personal view which you are welcome to challenge (how else can I learn?). - Calton
"Just because we don't understand the true origin of the universe today, doesn't mean that we will never find the answers" - Superspook
If one insists on holding out for a scientific answer, then you will never find the answer. Any proposed explanation for the origin of the universe will be metaphysical and outside the reach of empirical science, whether it is theism, a string derived model, or turtles all the way down. - Calton
Calton would formulate various arguments (that are actually easy to refute) for the existence of God.Has matter/energy always existed?
The point I think mikeycypress is trying to make is, I think, a valid one, though black holes are not the best example. His point seems to be that if we observe some phenomenon P which is observable, then hypothesizing some non-empirical explanation E such that E = /> P is not necessarily a flawed way of thinking. The basic constraints that should be placed on E are, of course, that 1) E does in fact explain P, and 2) if there is an E' such that E' = /> P also, then we choose between E and E' based on which makes the fewest non-trivial assumptions.
And while black holes are not a good example, science is in fact littered with examples of this type of reasoning. Perhaps the best example is the entire edifice of quantum mechanics. For example, in the double slit experiment (read the wiki article if you're not familiar) P = "the diffraction pattern on the screen". Science hypothesizes E = "the electron goes through both slits". While P can be directly observed, E is fundamentally un-empirical, unobservable, etc. In fact, there neither is nor can be any empirical proof whatsoever of E. Many E' explanations have been suggested, but they either ultimately fail to satisfy E' = /> P, or they require a greater number of hypotheses. And this particular E is a special case of the general principle of quantum superposition which is the fundamental premise of quantum mechanics, which is arguably the fundamental premise of all of modern science. The Lie Group Gauge Manifolds that underly the Standard Model of Particle Physics are another set of examples. There neither is nor can be anything that resembles empirical evidence of these things, but we assume that they exist in a very real sense. General Relativity and string theory also have examples of this type of reasoning.
So it is not valid for the naturalist to claim that this type of reasoning is invalid. It is very, very true that we assume the existence of things we cannot observe in order to make sense of the things that we can. And nearly any argument that the naturalist can level against theism can be used against these scientific ideas as well.
The typical theistic argument is that P = "the universe exists". We propose E = "God exists and created it". It is trivially true that E = /> P. So the question then becomes "is there an E' such that E' = /> P and E' requires fewer non-trivial assumptions?" Naturalism's choices are to either provide an E' that requires a monstrously large number of non-trivial assumptions (the string models), to fail to provide any E' at all and instead insist on leaving the question a "black box", or to claim that the universe is itself non-contingent (which places the burden on them to argue this - so far no argument has been made). -
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The Jehovahs Witness family weekend
by jambon1 inhaving been out of the organisation for over 4 years and having finally released my kids from the hellish existance that is life as a jw, it struck me today how enjoyable our weekends are in comparison to when we were jw's.. the weekends are vital for us just now.
my wife doesn't work but i work full time from very early in the morning.
i don't get to see my beutiful children in the morning during the week.
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alice.in.wonderland
yknot you know what you know because at one time maybe you came to an accurate knowledge of truth. It's not possible for me to know that for sure. You and blondie are kind of fear inspiring.
For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame. Hebrews 6:4-6It would be better off for your sake if you did not come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition. Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three. Of how much more severe a punishment, do you think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit of undeserved kindness with contempt? For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”; and again: “Jehovah will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God. Hebrews 10:26-31
You keep transforming yourself into a minister of righteousness.
Now what I am doing I will still do, that I may cut off the pretext from those who are wanting a pretext for being found equal to us in the office of which they boast. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 -
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The Jehovahs Witness family weekend
by jambon1 inhaving been out of the organisation for over 4 years and having finally released my kids from the hellish existance that is life as a jw, it struck me today how enjoyable our weekends are in comparison to when we were jw's.. the weekends are vital for us just now.
my wife doesn't work but i work full time from very early in the morning.
i don't get to see my beutiful children in the morning during the week.
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alice.in.wonderland
"better yet....
Admit you are lonely.
You have reasons for not being in attendance.
Start contributing to threads instead of detracting from them.
Post threads that aren't just so you cry 'persecution'
Be real Rachel....
If not, yea we are tired of you schtick enjoy your insanity but take it back to the chronicle forum.
If you do come back .....
APOLOGIZE TO JAMBON!"
People at the chronicle forum know about my beliefs and they don't say these things.
The Deification of the Pope
I officially apologize, Alice. As you may have surmised, my radar is perennially set on El D'ceiver's wavelength. Sometimes I think I see his damnable schemes everywhere.
You are young, so I will take this liberty to advise you to do what I had to learn the hard way:
Question everything. Question everyone. Even your boss. Even God.
BTW -- the only Jehovah's Witness I have ever known personally was a really sweet person I used to work with. She got a little ditzy during pregnancy -- but other than that I never suspected brainwashing...
------------------Just about anyone at the chronicle forum would see nothing but sheer insanity >here< as would most people. Try posting the stuff you post here on Houston Belief and watch what happens.
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The Jehovahs Witness family weekend
by jambon1 inhaving been out of the organisation for over 4 years and having finally released my kids from the hellish existance that is life as a jw, it struck me today how enjoyable our weekends are in comparison to when we were jw's.. the weekends are vital for us just now.
my wife doesn't work but i work full time from very early in the morning.
i don't get to see my beutiful children in the morning during the week.
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alice.in.wonderland
"Alice Rachel, do you have a natural affinity for pathetic-ness or do you have to work at it? I ask you this simple question in hopes of getting an answer because although you never answer anyones question on this forum, I have the hope that this easy question may get through the apparent fog of your conscienceness. Actually, on second thought, don't bother answering. You are so transparent in your pleadings for attention, that you cause the tapioca to rise in my gullet.
On second thought one more question. Have they rebuilt the Galveston fishing pier from the Hurricane Ike damage? If they have go for a swim off the end."
I've already stated that when I came here I simply wanted to engage in open debate and challenge different issues, not delve into personal issues. People here seem to want to personalize things so I said some things about myself. And no, I could care less about “getting attention.” I don't need anymore than I currently have. None of your inflammatory hate speech means anything to me. I only get that kind of stuff >here< where it is said that it's “criminal” if I were to raise my daughter as a Witness.
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The Jehovahs Witness family weekend
by jambon1 inhaving been out of the organisation for over 4 years and having finally released my kids from the hellish existance that is life as a jw, it struck me today how enjoyable our weekends are in comparison to when we were jw's.. the weekends are vital for us just now.
my wife doesn't work but i work full time from very early in the morning.
i don't get to see my beutiful children in the morning during the week.
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alice.in.wonderland
" "Alice Rachel, why don't you kiss our collective F****** asses?"
If that's the way you people feel I'll just leave.
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The Jehovahs Witness family weekend
by jambon1 inhaving been out of the organisation for over 4 years and having finally released my kids from the hellish existance that is life as a jw, it struck me today how enjoyable our weekends are in comparison to when we were jw's.. the weekends are vital for us just now.
my wife doesn't work but i work full time from very early in the morning.
i don't get to see my beutiful children in the morning during the week.
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alice.in.wonderland
"Alice Rachel, why don't you kiss our collective F****** asses?"
There's no need to say such things.
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Library Visit # 2: 607 BCE vs. 587 BCE - With Pictures!
by mentallyfree31 inapproximately five weeks ago, i visited the local library and searched every book i could find that discusses the destruction of jerusalem in ancient times.
if you didn't see that thread, you can find it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/192813/1/607-b-c-e-a-trip-to-the-local-library-with-pictures.
the results were conclusive: all secular sources agree that jerusalem was destroyed in 587/586 bce.
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alice.in.wonderland
" I hope people can see this and have themselves a good laugh, your ridiculously comical.
Its obvious your not interested in facts or established Data, the only interest you hold to is supporting the JWS bogus calculations.
Facts for you are prophetic prophecy and nothing else, tossing rational sense of reasoning out the window.
The WTS leaders love you for the way you think, your all in-line for your grand reward, AIW.
Piss ...... don't ever go to college and study ancient history it will really F..k you up."
I don't pattern my thinking after the “WTS leaders.”
Have any of you talked to Joel Osteen about pushing the prosperity gospel and profiteer preaching if the "WTS leaders" have some sort of erroneous agenda?
However, those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge men into destruction and ruin. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains. 1 Timothy 6:9-10
You don't have to go to any great lengths to disprove the existence of invisible beings.
By faith Moses was hid for three months by his parents after his birth, because they saw the young child was beautiful and they did not fear the order of the king. By faith Moses, when grown up, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Phar′aoh, choosing to be ill-treated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin, because he esteemed the reproach of the Christ as riches greater than the treasures of Egypt; for he looked intently toward the payment of the reward. By faith he left Egypt, but not fearing the anger of the king, for he continued steadfast as seeing the One who is invisible. By faith he had celebrated the passover and the splashing of the blood, that the destroyer might not touch their firstborn ones. Hebrews 11:23-28
Why is it you folks try and dance a gig all over the 1914 prophecy when the existence of God can be dismissed studying the book of ophthalmology?