A formal discharge from an organization whether it be termination of employment or excommunication from an organization will always carry the overtone of damage to another's reputation: defamation of character. That's why employers often require a contract(s) to be signed upon employment.
Everyone who's one of JWs understands why people are Dfd and agrees with it or they wouldn't be there. There are some people that are removed from the congregation and then all of the sudden no longer understand. That's more of a personal problem, not a legal problem.
alice.in.wonderland
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I've Got An Idea: Sue An Elder!
by minimus ini honestly think that if individual elders thought they personally might get sued, they would back off from talking to you or trying to hunt you down.
i know i always was nervous that i'd havv=e to hire a lawyer and pay $$$ out of my own pocket.. what do you think?
might that not discourage elders from violating your rights or harrassing you?
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alice.in.wonderland
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I've Got An Idea: Sue An Elder!
by minimus ini honestly think that if individual elders thought they personally might get sued, they would back off from talking to you or trying to hunt you down.
i know i always was nervous that i'd havv=e to hire a lawyer and pay $$$ out of my own pocket.. what do you think?
might that not discourage elders from violating your rights or harrassing you?
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alice.in.wonderland
I've never been harassed by an elder or had a reason to sue. I was disfellowshipped as a teenager because my parents who were Jehovah's Witnesses knew about my activities. When they spoke to the elders I just told them to disfellowship me. I''ve long since been reinstated but I haven't been to the meetings in eight months and an elder has contacted me one time. It seems that people here are sociopathically looking for ways to hunt down and get at Jehovah's Witnesses, not visa-versa.
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The next dub that says "the light's getting brighter" to me...
by undercover in...is going to get his punched out.
yes, friends, this is another thread about the latest generation teaching.
so, if you're sick to death of it, leave now, save yourselves.... anyhoo... as the wts has now unleashed on the world the true explanation of generation and what it means for those of us in this time of the end, dubs who accept without question this teaching are 'oohing' and 'ahhing' as the new explanation 'makes so much sense now'.
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alice.in.wonderland
** disappointed sigh **
I guess not you if you're gnostic.
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The next dub that says "the light's getting brighter" to me...
by undercover in...is going to get his punched out.
yes, friends, this is another thread about the latest generation teaching.
so, if you're sick to death of it, leave now, save yourselves.... anyhoo... as the wts has now unleashed on the world the true explanation of generation and what it means for those of us in this time of the end, dubs who accept without question this teaching are 'oohing' and 'ahhing' as the new explanation 'makes so much sense now'.
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alice.in.wonderland
"However, it doesn't have anything to do with the topic."
It has something to do with the topic. Increasing light isn't a concept invented and coined by Jehovah's Witnesses. It's taken from Proverbs 4:18:
But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established. Proverbs 4:18
Most people's lives and most organizations profit and non-profit are a work in progress. I assume people here prefer religions that are mired in the dark ages or none at all than those that are progressively enlightening. -
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What is a Plausible Naturalistic Explanation for the Origin of Christianity?
by leavingwt ini would be interested in reading your answers to this question.. .
a recent post a john w. loftus' blog got me to thinking about this topic.
in the post, loftus tells us that he asked victor reppert would it would take for him to give up chrstianity.
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alice.in.wonderland
It's not something that can be explained in a few paragraphs. I don't have time to write an essay, besides here's an explanation, but not mine because I don't believe Christianity originated from God(s) that exist in people’s heads and presumably nowhere else.
The Evolution of God - Polytheism, the Religion of Ancient Israel
From Polytheism to Monolatry
But first let’s make it clear—in case it isn’t already—what philosophical bias will inform the enterprise. Attempts to explain changes in religious doctrine come in two basic varieties: the kind that stress the power of ideas and the kind that stress the power of material circumstance. Was Israel pushed toward monolatry, and ultimately toward monotheism, more by theological inspiration and reflection, or more by politics, economics, and other concrete social factors?From Monolatry to Monotheism After all, the “problem of evil” doesn’t arise in acute form unless you believe in a single all-powerful and good God. Only if God is omnipotent does all human suffering become something he is choosing to tolerate, and only if he is wholly benevolent does this choice become something of a puzzle. And this kind of god, infinite in power and goodness, is exactly the kind of god that, so far as we can tell, didn’t exist before the exile; this is the kind of god whose emergence during the exile we’re trying to explain. Monotheism can’t be the premise of the theological reflection that created it.
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The next dub that says "the light's getting brighter" to me...
by undercover in...is going to get his punched out.
yes, friends, this is another thread about the latest generation teaching.
so, if you're sick to death of it, leave now, save yourselves.... anyhoo... as the wts has now unleashed on the world the true explanation of generation and what it means for those of us in this time of the end, dubs who accept without question this teaching are 'oohing' and 'ahhing' as the new explanation 'makes so much sense now'.
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alice.in.wonderland
"Alice why don't you go and crawl back under whatever hospital bed you escaped from, and quit trying to hijack every thread that's posted.
Back on topic:
Yet, now it's not just the generation of 1914, it's an overlapping generation. It has to be explained in detail, with reference back to the Old Testament and the "historical" examples of Joseph and his brothers, just how generations can overlap and yet we're still in the time of the end. And then they go to the trouble of comparing birth years of members of the GB, which on the surface should smack everyone in the head how wrong the previous explanation was, but instead it somehow reinforces that because one old fart was still alive when a younger old fart was born, then we're still in the time of the end?
As we've discussed many times on this board, the GB will not get rid of 1914 because then they'd have to get rid of 1918 when Jesus supposedly 'inspected them', chosed them as the F&DSC which of course gives them their power structure. 1914 on it's own would be fairly easy to change. They could simply admit that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE which means Jesus returned in 1934, not 1914. They could easily tie this into the fact that Hitler was elected as Chancellor of Germany in 1933 which put the world on the pathway to WWII. Witnesses would buy this 'new light' like they do most of their bullshit doctrines. However, there is nothing scripturally that they can hinge on to to promote the idea that Jesus chose them in 1937 or '38.
Instead of admitting that they've been wrong for decades about the generation of 1914, they have tried numerous ways to try and wiggle out of it, while retaining their authority. Time is no longer on their side though and in 4 years, it will be 100 years since they declared "the world has ended". I'm sure they tried a thousand different scenarios in the Boardroom to see what they could come up with. The fact that an 'overlapping generation' was the best they could do shows that they're running out of excuses fast and are waiting to see how this 'new light' is accepted by a very weary people."
After communicating with different people, the biggest obstacle to most of the proof/ evidence (science based) atheists or agnostics in other religions is they haven't observed or experienced any intervention from God in society or in their personal life so they're left with a lot of unanswered questions.
I've lost much of God's spirit now, but I clearly remember it in my own life, that God had a powerful method of revealing his existence to faithful men of old as well as his modern day human subjects.
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23
Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let your petitions be made known to God; and the peace of God that excels all thought will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus. Philippians 4:6-7
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld. For by means of this the men of old times had witness borne to them. Hebrews 11:1-2
However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not that out of ourselves. 2 Corinthians 4:7
Without this there's no true evidence that God exists. It's not all just black and white text, or a coming apocalypse that's a motivator or a strengthening agent for a person's faith. You have no memory of this when you were one of Jehovah's Witnesses? -
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The next dub that says "the light's getting brighter" to me...
by undercover in...is going to get his punched out.
yes, friends, this is another thread about the latest generation teaching.
so, if you're sick to death of it, leave now, save yourselves.... anyhoo... as the wts has now unleashed on the world the true explanation of generation and what it means for those of us in this time of the end, dubs who accept without question this teaching are 'oohing' and 'ahhing' as the new explanation 'makes so much sense now'.
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alice.in.wonderland
“What a nutter.”
Exposure to this asylum made some minor impression on me and has at times distorted any potential for a normal response. I've many times asked people simple questions and they often can't answer without going ballistic. This is an indicator people have things buried in their mind they're incapable of addressing logically. I don't necessarily answer all your questions.
Google: “trolls who talk shit on the internet” for an understanding as to why. -
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two witness rule
by rnicole76 inthis rule is really flawed.
if the child goes to the elder and tell them that bro.
so and so raped him.
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alice.in.wonderland
The older people get, you're expected to do your own thinking. Involving others in illegal activity if they didn't witness anything represents a danger to that person.
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two witness rule
by rnicole76 inthis rule is really flawed.
if the child goes to the elder and tell them that bro.
so and so raped him.
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alice.in.wonderland
If a young child tells an elder he/she was raped it gets reported.
"If the accused denies the charge, the two elders may arrange for him and the victim to restate their position in each other’s presence, with elders also there. If during that meeting the accused still denies the charges and there are no others who can substantiate them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time."
If a young child tells something like that to an elder they don't let that go. I damn sure wouldn't.
If you really think about it, when would a young child tell an elder he/she was raped? Take him back in the Kingdom Hall library and explain the matter, that Mom or Dad is raping me? A young child is generally coerced into silence by the abuser and they often don't understand what is going on. If anything like you discussed really went on CPS would know about it and they would expose it. If you review the media from: http://www.silentlambs.org/education/chung.wmv
The first girl interviewed said she told the elders about abuse when she was 15 that took place when she was 13. She said it was a friend of the family. You would think at the age of 13 she would have told her parents. She said she told the elders in hopes they would take care of this person. What would you do if a 15 year old told you she was raped by someone you know when she was 13 so you could “take care of the person?”
I would say you need to contact the authorities. If the truth of the matter is, there's no other witnesses and the accused abuser denies... after two years, there's no physical evidence: it wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
It's adults and older teens that tell the elders things and that's where the two witness rule applies. The witness that told an elder can inform CPS because the elders can't legally apprehend the abuser.The second person said she was 12 when her friend's older brother molested her. She said her and her parents went to the elders. The elders are not the police. When it comes to illegal activity you take that to the police where DNA evidence or something substantial can be gathered to make a case. The elders can't do this.
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The next dub that says "the light's getting brighter" to me...
by undercover in...is going to get his punched out.
yes, friends, this is another thread about the latest generation teaching.
so, if you're sick to death of it, leave now, save yourselves.... anyhoo... as the wts has now unleashed on the world the true explanation of generation and what it means for those of us in this time of the end, dubs who accept without question this teaching are 'oohing' and 'ahhing' as the new explanation 'makes so much sense now'.
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alice.in.wonderland
"Mary.....pay not mind to AIW aka Naughty Rachel.....she has used that same line before....nothing new.
If anyone really wants to do something about it.......ignore.......once we figured her issues on another site......we did just that...and she stopped.
I've known a couple of people who exhibit the same exact behavior. It's called Bi Polar with Rageaholic tendencies. She is also toxically loved starved......emotionally and mentally stunted....sad actually....."
The forum's invitation:
"The place to discuss anything relating to Jehovah's Witnesses and the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society... or just make new friends!"
Translation: The place to trash the name of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society... and make enemies if you interfere!
If I chime in here it's with dagger in hand. To be honest I don't want “replies.” It's “responses” that caused me to suspend any empathy or emotion if I log on here. Last thread I read some people were disappointed because an arsonist didn't succeed in burning down a Kingdom Hall. When it comes to me just read like a lurker, or don't. But no need to respond.
