Posts by alice.in.wonderland

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"High-Control Groups"

by Consfearacy in

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php .

"it is important to understand that in most bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

it is the sense that the group is god's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control.

I guess YKnot is right, it craves the high of the persecution complex, proven by the whole "I'm a victim and have been treated sooooo badly by you all that my imaginary husband now has to come and stick up for me......My hero!!"

Hilarious."

That's why I took the conversation here because people use this forum as a toxic waste dump to unload contaminated portions of their psych. The record speaks for itself:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TA7ER317CCO79K6RH

The moderator (Simon) at http://www.jehovahs-witness.net just kicked me off the forum. I've created two threads there. Everything I said was logical and and in good taste. Here was my first thread:

"High-Control Groups"

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bi...

He quoted what I said here:

"If you do not believe the Watchtower (the faithful and discreet slave's principle means of teaching) has backing from God, you don't have to agree with anything it says. This is not enforced with sanctions and there is no one that can or does force anyone to stay in the organization."

This was his reply and then my account was closed:

"That is complete bullshit. You know it, we all know it. Most people who search for "Jehovahs Witnesses" on the internet after you pushed your crappy magazines and leaflets through the door know it.

You don't fool anyone anymore with your WTS double-speak and you are not welcome coming here to post blatant lies and propaganda of a mind-control C-U-L-T."

No profanity filter however.

All the post are still there. Interestingly enough, these are the forum guidelines:

1. Insulting, threatening or provoking language
2. Inciting hatred on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality or sexuality or other personal characteristic.
3. Swearing, using hate-speech or making obscene or vulgar comments.

Double-speak and blatant lies? Simon should learn how to read.

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"High-Control Groups"

by Consfearacy in

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php .

"it is important to understand that in most bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

it is the sense that the group is god's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control.

alice.in.wonderland

"That's Rachel /Alice/ confearacy God only knows who else.

ain't no husband involved, not unless they cut and paste to perfection."

"That's Rachel /Alice/ confearacy God only knows who else.

ain't no husband involved, not unless they cut and paste to perfection."

All you have to do is scroll up for several posts of copy-pasted garbage. They're not mine.

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It's official, got DF'ed last night

by notverylikely in

i'm out.

free at last, free at last..

alice.in.wonderland

Thanks for clearing up the illusion Essan conjured here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/197624/3/High-Control-Groups

Esaan said; "This is where your lie about "choice" is exposed. Why do those who disagree often remain? Because they don't want to be disfellowshipped and made an outcast in the Congregation and have their lifelong friends never speak to them again and have family members, even their children, shun them! Because they have no free choice because it has been denied them by this "high control" cult! If they disagree and this becomes known the price in terms of sanctions by the congregation and the terrible consequences thereof can be too much for many people to bear!"

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"High-Control Groups"

by Consfearacy in

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php .

"it is important to understand that in most bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

it is the sense that the group is god's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control.

alice.in.wonderland

Rinse and repeat.

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"High-Control Groups"

by Consfearacy in

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php .

"it is important to understand that in most bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

it is the sense that the group is god's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control.

alice.in.wonderland

"Utter and complete bullshit, Alice. And you know it.
Calling yourself a "victim"????
Please.
I don't know what game you are playing here, but both you and Consfearacy ( I'm not convinced you aren't one and the same....) need to get back on the meds."

They're not my words. Par-the-course. No valid response, personal attack in that order. Useless, boring and irritating.

http://www.freeminds.org/psychology/cults/deprogramming-and-exit-counseling-are-they-for-christians.html

Furthermore, victims of cults are not characteristically less intelligent than other people. If anything they are often the "cream of the crop," so to speak--the young, the intelligent, the idealistic, yet all too often naive ones. They are likely recruited during a transition time in their life, when they are more vulnerable to outside coercion and manipulation.

Don't assume that cultists are objective enough to discuss the Bible's doctrines or "truth" with you. They are victims of mind control and phobia indoctrination. Playing a game of "checkers" with selected scriptures is not only useless but counterproductive to reaching them (2 Tim. 2:14).

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"High-Control Groups"

by Consfearacy in

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php .

"it is important to understand that in most bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

it is the sense that the group is god's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control.

alice.in.wonderland

"Alice why do you think you can fool us!!!"

That's really immaterial to anything. The forum is supposed to be fun, an intellectual challenge. The fact that it gets personal to the point where I get banned for practically nothing shows something is rotten in Denmark. Especially if I'm the victim. The victim of a mind-control cult. My husband rarely cared to participate and disapproves. This ID will probably get banned too. This is the only JW forum that's halfway decent as far forum architecture.

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"High-Control Groups"

by Consfearacy in

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php .

"it is important to understand that in most bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

it is the sense that the group is god's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control.

alice.in.wonderland

Yes

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"High-Control Groups"

by Consfearacy in

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php .

"it is important to understand that in most bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

it is the sense that the group is god's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control.

alice.in.wonderland

Quillsky, the user ID that was banned was my husbands. We both participated in the conversations because of users, inciting hatred on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality or sexuality or other personal characteristic. Those who claim to be males making sexually explicit remarks. The hate speech stopped when the user ID was identified as a male. And you are right. The moderator allows this while banning a person just becasue they are one of Jehovah's Witnesses. So I sent him this:

"I received word from the user you banned. The reason he was here (my husband) is because of all the hate speech I received that you obviously incite and approve of yourself. I thoroughly read your terms and conditions. Either make some direct statements about Jehovah's Witnesses not being permitted here or more will follow up and be visiting your forum. If you don't want that than say so in understandable speech."

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Popular Music

by alice.in.wonderland in

the thread about my avatar disappeared.

i think my avatar picture is harmless, but i did say earlier the gothic witch possibly gets back to music i listened to as a teenager.

associated imagery is as follows:.

alice.in.wonderland

The thread about my avatar disappeared. I think my avatar picture is harmless, but I did say earlier the Gothic witch possibly gets back to music I listened to as a teenager. Associated imagery is as follows:

Here we have a pentagram, the eagle is a symbol from the National Socialist movement (Nazism), and Slayer was one of the “Big Four” in the 1980's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slayer

Slayer is an American heavy metal band from Huntington Park, California, formed in 1981. The band was founded by guitarists Jeff Hanneman and Kerry King. Slayer rose to fame with their 1986 release, Reign in Blood. The band is credited as one of the "Big Four" of thrash metal acts, along with Metallica, Megadeth and Anthrax.

Slayer's musical traits involve fast tremolo picking, atonal guitar solos, double bass drumming, and shouting vocals. The band's lyrics and album art, which cover topics such as serial killers, Satanism, religion and warfare have generated album bans, delays, lawsuits and strong criticism from religious groups and the public.

Def Jam's distributor, Columbia Records, refused to release the album Reign in Blood due to its graphic cover art and lyrical themes. For example, "Angel of Death" detailed Holocaust concentration camps and the human experiments conducted by Nazi physician Josef Mengele.

So, what do I gather from this? We live in a society where there are demographics with a fascination with evil, where evil and magic are intertwined. Interestingly enough Jehovah's Witnesses aren't the only ones to point out the obvious when it comes to parenting.

CafeMom: Parents are you listening to the lyrics in your kids music?

Many people who listen to this music claim that they don't really listen to the lyrics, and that they only really like the music. The lyrics do make their way into the conscious and subconscious of the listener, and will influence their attitudes, perspectives, and emotions if they don't consciously screen and qualify them. The real fact is that once having heard or seen something, you can't unhear or unsee it, and it will leave an impression one way or another.

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A rough estimate of how many are still in for family or loved ones?

by dgp in

i'm sure it's impossible to know for sure but, in people's opinions, what would be a rough estimate of how many people are still in because of fear of losing loved ones?.

alice.in.wonderland

Crisis of Conscience, if you're serving as a ministerial servant, why don't you post one of the talks you have given lately? I adhere to the same theocratic schedule (Kingdom Ministry) you do. Keep it real as they say.