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  For Perry: There was no global flood, so stop looking for Noah's Ark

  by BurnTheShips in

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  forget about noahs ark; there was no worldwide flood.

  many people have contacted me about the recent claims by a group called noahs ark ministries international.1 the evangelical organization claims to have discovered noahs ark.2 i have responded on several occasions to these dubious claims on my blog.3 and still, this group has stood behind their claim,4 insisting that what they have found is real based largely on the belief that because the bible says the flood and the ark are historical, it must be so.

  so, instead of addressing their spurious claims yet again, i thought i would approach the issue from a different angle: forget about noahs ark; there was no world-wide flood.. the worldwide flood described in genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier mesopotamian flood narratives.

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  Are any of the usual antagonists going to run their mouth off about the long copy-and-paste? According to the Genesis account there was an expanse about the earth, and in this expanse there was a dense layer of water suspended in the atmosphere and remained there from the second “day” of creation until the Flood.

  And God went on to say: “Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.” Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. And God began to call the expanse Heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day. Genesis 1:6-8

  “All the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.” (Ge 7:11)

  There were likely much better environmental conditions before the release of these waters.
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  signs of the end of times - CO talk

  by DaCheech in

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  the co yesterday had proof, that we are definetely in the last seconds of the end times.. he said: "never in the history of mankind, has all the signs of jesus' "end times" happened simultaneously".. earthquakes have happened, pestilence same, wars same, etc etc............. but now all these are being seen together and alarmingly so.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  There's cause and effect relationships for everything in the universe. The weather can actually cause negative environmental changes in landmass.
  
  http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/ASK/floods.html
  
  Subject: Environmental Effects of Floods
  
  http://www.nhpr.org/node/11646
  
  Environmental Problems From Alstead Flood Still Linger
  
  http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/aug/26ap2.htm
  
  Andhra floods may cause earthquakes: Scientist
  
  The heavy rains and floods in Andhra Pradesh may cause earthquakes, Professor and Head of the Department of Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur, Ramesh P Singh said in Kanpur on Saturday.
  
  With heavy rainfall and floods in Andhra Pradesh, water is likely to percolate under the Earth's surface through fracture zones, commonly found in the shield areas, leading to increase in the pore pressure that may cause earthquakes, he said.
  
  One of the probable reasons for the occurrence of earthquakes is injection of water in the Earth or its withdrawal as this action increases or reduces the subsurface pressure, Singh said.
  
  He appealed to government agencies, academic institutions and scientists involved in earthquake related studies to monitor Andhra Pradesh and surrounding areas.
  
  He said the studies might help save lives and property in the event of any major disaster.
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2328293620080523
  
  Floods displace 15,000 in Chile
  
  May 23, 2008
  
  SANTIAGO (Reuters) - Heavy rains and flooding that killed five people and displaced thousands in south-central Chile have collapsed road and rail bridges, closed the world's largest underground copper mine and left many in the capital without drinking water, the government said on Friday.
  
  Many schools remained closed in Santiago and elsewhere after floodwaters churned up sediment at water treatment plants, while several rivers burst their banks farther south, deluging thousands of homes.

  http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/03/11/chile.earthquake/index.html

  March 11, 2010

  Three strong earthquakes strike Chile in quick succession

  My main concern is that environmental damage has something to do with recent weather trends.
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  Is The Watchtower Organization A Cult To You?

  by minimus in

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  i used to call them "cult like" but i do believe they are a "cult".. what's your opinion?.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  “If you are willing to shun a beloved family member or friend for leaving the group, or commit suicide for the group(blood doctrine) then you are most definitely controlled by the jw cult.
  
  Actually, the blood doctrine can also be classified as murder when it involves parents witholding proper medical care from their children. Not as common in the US due to child protection laws, but still common in other parts of the world. In that case, you would be a worthless, piece of crap human being, in addition to being a jw cult member.”
  
  You may have heard the statement, "There are no atheists in foxholes." This is an aphorism used to argue that a person will turn on their religious convictions upon impending threats to their life. I guess you could say the same thing about receiving a blood transfusion. That a person will turn on their religious convictions upon impending threats to their life. So, why do some people not receive one?
  
  There's only one religion that teaches what only makes sense:
  
  kc chap. 3 pp. 24-25 par. 10 What the Kingdom Means for Our Earth
  
  No longer will large hospitals be needed to house the physically and mentally sick. Heart disease, cancer and other crippling illnesses will be eradicated, for the Master Physician, Jesus Christ, will apply the value of his ransom sacrifice “for the curing of the nations.” Jesus’ many miracles of healing and raising the dead, performed while he was on earth, are only a small indication of what he will accomplish by his powerful Kingdom rule. Even mankind’s inherited dying condition will be removed, for we are assured that “death will be no more.”—Revelation 21:4; 22:1, 2; Matthew 11:2-5; Mark 10:45; Romans 5:18, 19.
  
  That a supreme being (mankind's creator) would restore humanity to its original perfect state makes more sense than people floating off to heaven or hell for the indefinite future of planet earth. Faith isn't at all based strictly on what a person reads.

  Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld. For by means of this the men of old times had witness borne to them. Hebrews 11:1-2

  There are people without spirituality that are thoroughly disconnected from God with no confidence in the resurrection hope but this is a result of an unwise personal decision.
  
  As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, how they used to say to you: “In the last time there will be ridiculers, proceeding according to their own desires for ungodly things.” These are the ones that make separations, animalistic [men], not having spirituality. Jude 17-19
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  The 13 Illuminati Satanic Bloodlines

  by alice.in.wonderland in

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  any comments on this here?.

  the russell bloodline.

  the watchtower & the illuminati.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  Mythbuster, you attribute a fictional theater to the God of the Bible. Do you attach the same mythology to anyone who accepts this book as possibly the inspired word of God?.
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  The 13 Illuminati Satanic Bloodlines

  by alice.in.wonderland in

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  any comments on this here?.

  the russell bloodline.

  the watchtower & the illuminati.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  "It's internet garbage"

  Yes it is. None-the-less, this is the first conceptual I read (back in 2001) that was diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses and carried some religious sacrament in the assessment.
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  The 13 Illuminati Satanic Bloodlines

  by alice.in.wonderland in

  1. watchtower
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  any comments on this here?.

  the russell bloodline.

  the watchtower & the illuminati.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  "Any comments on this here?

  You might find a class on English grammar helpful.

  As to the article, there is sufficient actual information about the incorrectness of WTBS doctrine and prophecy without resorting to paranoid hallucinations."

  This type of thinking is not my own, it's exhibited by Christian theorists, a popular religious movement in society. From the analytical point of view of those here, you would think they would be identified as a sinister cult. Flashy surface material with no genuine substance.

  http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cuttingedge.html

  The Cutting Edge is another Rapture Cult website that is making substantial inroads into Remnant circles. In what could be dubbed the Second Wave, this site represents a rather dangerous form of Rapturism in that such "ministries" have adapted themselves so that they appear more like the true Remnant ministries that have had some success in the last few years in drawing people out of the Whore of Babylon.

  A writer named David Bay is the driving force behind the site. In his literary output, he borrows heavily from those outside the mainstream in that he writes on 'flashy' subjects such as UFO's, the Nephilim, the New World Order, and so forth. With this topical subject matter, few suspect that he is just as mainstream as say, Hal Lindsey. Worse yet, Bay is clearly willing to hide the Cult belief system that underpins his ministry in order to draw in more adherents.

  Deceivers of this breed are crafty and have learned to use the Internet as an outreach to pick off those that are in crucial transition from the Cult. The classic definition of a tare, such look like the genuine article, but when you strip away the appealing topical subject matter, the theology is the same Antichrist teaching taught by the Rapture Cult for over a century.

  
  
  http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/p294.htm
  
  Satan, the evil genius behind misguided faith, has now fractured Christendom into several divisions, each claiming to be the authentic Church of Jesus Christ. One of the largest, Roman Catholicism, bases its doctrines upon its own traditions along with edicts handed down by sinful and fallible men. While another, “The Jehovah’s Witnesses,” literally reworded the Bible (their “New World Translation”) by such tactics as removing all references to hell, thereby making it conform to their doctrines. Whereas the third, Mormonism, professes to believe and use the King James Bible “insofar as it is properly interpreted,” but at the same time places much more emphasis upon the writings of Joseph Smith along with ongoing pronouncements by their “prophets.” So of these three, one almost totally ignores Bible doctrines in favor of its own traditions, one rewrote it to suit themselves, and the third adds to it on a continuous basis! Each has zealous adherents who profess faith in their respective system, but none of them can legitimately claim their doctrines are totally based upon the Word of God as it was originally handed down to man.
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  The 13 Illuminati Satanic Bloodlines

  by alice.in.wonderland in

  1. watchtower
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  any comments on this here?.

  the russell bloodline.

  the watchtower & the illuminati.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  Any comments on this here?

  The Russell Bloodline

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  THE WATCHTOWER & THE ILLUMINATI
  
  Last year in the Jan. ’93 newsletter I wrote an artide about the Illuminati and the Watchtower Society. Recently, on Dec. 10, ’93, Texe Marrs interviewed me over international short wave radio about the 1990 book "The Watchtower and the Masons." Having got a good response from the short wave radio interview, it is only appropriate that this newsletter starts off the new year with another article on the Watchtower Society and the Illuminati. Because of numerous problems within the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses with Satanic Ritual Abuse, the Watchtower Society put out an article in the Oct. 8, 1991 issue of the magazine. Lee Waters of Bethel Headquarters kept a file on his computer of Jehovah’s Witnesses who were reported to be victims of SKA. It is possible headquarters has told him to delete the file. Another man who was at headquarters who is now believed out of the Society was also well informed of SRA among the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses. In fact, two J.W.s who had actually been in the Illuminati while J.W.s but had broken free, confronted the Governing Body and headquarters with their evidence of the Illuminati operating within the membership of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
  
  What was the response of the WF leaders? To simply ignore and coverup the evidence. The actions of the Governing Body in squelching any serious action against the high level Satanism secretly operating within the Jehovah’s Witnesses shows what my Be Wise A Serpents book revealed, which is that very secret high level Satanism has long been controlling the Watchtower Society. One of these 2 eyewitnesses to Illuminati activities within the higher levels of the Watchtower Society realized that something is seriously wrong at the top, when the WF leaders do not really care for those people in the congregations who are becoming the victims of SRA. One elder in good standing lost his position because be warned the WT Society of satanic infiltration. It is obvious that the Watchtower organization is more interested in public relations than it is in having a clean organization. In examining the families that are involved with the Illuminati who use the Watchtower Society as a cover, we find a continuation of the same pattern as I noticed before: there is a large contingent of Scottish and a large Jewish bloodlines. For instance, one J.W. Illuminati family was the Udell family (Scottish name) who married Picketson Milliken (English maiden name with Jewish first husband).
  
  The WT Society performs a secret ritual every year which is their primary ritual. This ritual is actually the ancient gnostic (satanic) ritual of saying no to the body of Christ. This ancient satanic ritual is now secretly practiced under the disguise of the Memorial Supper - where the elements of communion are passed and no one partakes of the elements. (When I say ‘no one’ I mean that in a qualified sense-only a small group are allowed to partake. The actual figures of how many partake of the elements is a totally fictitious figure according to my sources, which is created at Bethel headquarters in Brooklyn.
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  Would you Agree with this?

  by KW13 in

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  it occured to me that when the new, young elders, ministerial servants and so on take over, they are further and further away from the origin of the witnesses.

  when the lies were fresh in the minds of all, when people saw first hand what was done wrong, giving them the reasons to jump ship and enjoy life, without fear of making a mistake, because they had a good idea of the facts.

  these things have since been brushed under the carpet and the circuit overseers, elders, ministerial servants and so on are more naive and clueless (in my opinion) than ever.. the same applies to the rank and file witnesses.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  That was a stupid comment to make and who knows who made the comment. Someone could also get mugged in a Kingdom Hall parking lot. It's infectious in certain circles to use these stories as tool for exploitation to try and criminalize the organization. But what does this incident have to do with someone like me? There are certain criminal elements in this system and there always has been. Keeping separate from criminal aspects of this system is what is meant by keeping separate from the world. Who really needs it anyway?

  By saying this: "secrets of the past but leaving behind their twisted logic" you're suggesting criminal activity systematically takes place inside the organization. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I emphatically disagree as it's been my observation that these things regularly take place in the world not in Jehovah's Organization.

  And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting, filled as they were with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, badness, being full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malicious disposition, being whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, insolent, haughty, self-assuming, inventors of injurious things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, false to agreements, having no natural affection, merciless. Although these know full well the righteous decree of God, that those practicing such things are deserving of death, they not only keep on doing them but also consent with those practicing them. Romans 1:28-32
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  From Whom Should We Receive True Bible Teachings today?

  by wannabe in

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  does it not make sense, that the same one who taught the early christian's should be the same one that holds that responsibility to teach them all today?

  would it not also be true, that was we to accept the teachings of any religious organization today, we would only be receiving our bible teachings from man, and not from the true source, that taught in the first century?

  would not those type of teachings be lacking the holy spirit, hence, worthless to us?

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  "Only the one who could make this following claim would be a qualfied teacher of God's word, the Truth. No Religious Leader of whatever denomination, Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses included, could make this following claim:

  33"Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear." {Acts 2:33 NIV} This is the only one from whom we will receive true teachings of the Bible from today. There is no other source than, but through him. Jesus Christ!"

  So what you are saying is each individual receives the Truth about the Bible directly from God, through Christ Jesus. Each person that truly receives God's indented pronouncements from his inspired word would not forsake the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom:

  And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you behold the day drawing near. Hebrews 10:24-25

  This of course leads back to the formation of the Christian congregation. How are the Christian congregations amongst Jehovah's Witnesses any different than the first century Christians?

  it-1 pp. 128-129 Apostle

  Administrative position. In the formation, organization, and subsequent direction of the Christian congregation, the apostles occupied a primary position. (1Co 12:28; Eph 4:11) Although they were joined by others of the “older men” in such supervision, they formed a principal part of the governing body of the expanding Christian congregation, and this body was recognized by the early Christians everywhere as the channel of communication used by God to render decisions and direct the affairs of the congregation throughout the earth. (Ac 2:42; 8:14-17; 11:22; 15:1, 2, 6-31; 16:4, 5) This was possible for these men only because of the fulfillment of the promises about guidance by God’s holy spirit. (Joh 15:26, 27) Such help enabled them to recall Jesus’ instructions and teachings, to clarify points of doctrine, and to be progressively guided “into all the truth” revealed through them at that apostolic period. (Joh 14:26; 16:13-15; compare Joh 2:22; 12:16.) They made appointments to positions of service within the congregation and also designated areas in which certain ones would engage in missionary activity.—Ac 6:2, 3; Ga 2:8, 9.
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  Is The Watchtower Organization A Cult To You?

  by minimus in

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  i used to call them "cult like" but i do believe they are a "cult".. what's your opinion?.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  "What most JWS don't realize including ALICE is that the are submitting themselves and obediently worshiping the leaders of the corrupt WTS.

  The WTS/JWS was purposely created to create power, wealth and control by exploiting the already establish belief in the bible.

  Unfortunately it has been somewhat successful in doing so by using disingenuous tactics and provocation of implied fear.

  Without fear the JWS wouldn't exist, as well as manipulative embellishment of the bible itself.

  The WTS. just like all similar religions like this self proclaim themselves that they are the only true worshipers of god

  and are his only direct channel through his holy spirit, thats why spiritualism and bullshit can be placed easily in the same sentence."

  There's no reason to accept any of the above aside from "because you say so" or the work of some novelist that can be dismissed as not worth the media it's printed on from my POV and millions of others.

  There are honest people that make a worthwhile endeavor in search for the existence of God. Jehovah's Witnesses can give a thorough answers to all of the following objections. What other religion can?

  A question for atheists

  All of these kinds of statements reconcile very well the the idea that there is no God. Without God, the revelation would be unprovable and the word would probably never reach everyone. Without a God, there would be no way to figure out which religions, if any, were true and which were false. Without a God, the beliefs of people within the same religion would frequently come into disagreement. Without a God, the believers would find ways to explain why God appears invisible and why God doesn't do anything. Without a God, believers would come to rely on an idea called "faith" instead of relying on their innate ability separate non-fiction and fiction.

  No one can prove there is no God, just as no one can prove there are no purple elephants on Neptune. On the other hand, no one can prove God exists either. But that doesn't make it a coin-toss, because if God existed, things would be very different around here. If a God existed, he wouldn't have been so bad at directing scriptures. He probably wouldn't have created so many different religions. He would not have made his believers so morally confused. He would not have directed his flocks to wage war on one another.

  Everything makes sense if you don't assume God. If you assume God, virtually nothing about our modern understanding of the universe makes any good sense.