so let's say armageddon comes,do you believe that all jw's would be destroyed because jehovah knows it's a false religion...it can't be denied,for the most part,they try to live by the bible...if anybody has to be punished i would say it's the leaders...i know that god wouldn't judge a whole organization but persons individually....so what i'm trying to ask is....do you think you're in a better position right now not for freedom but for salvation than the witnesses??
if by the time you're finished reading this post armageddon is here...would u wish that you still were a witness or are you satisfied that you've made god proud?.
no doubt we're seeing the fulfillment of Jesus prophecy about the last days...so the Bible has some merit!
Ms Girl, may I ask what persuaded you to believe Jehovah's Witnesses message was one of truth? Was it the logical foundations of the message? Or were you raised from childhood to believe what Witnesses teach?
do you believe you that having a faith and enjoying life are mutually exclusive?
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -George Bernard Shaw
i liken it to a wall street top broker who ends up as.
a homeless person.
in the eyes of my family (not jw).
Arkansas non-theist here.... and saying I live in the Bible belt is putting it mildly. "Southern Baptist Belt" would be more appropriate.
Jam, I've got a black friend who is a closeted non-theist. Meanwhile, his brother is a Black Hebrew(?), which is really crazy.
is biblical morality situational, based upon the arbitrary whims of yahweh?
murder is wrong... if god orders it however, then murder is right, and failing to murder is a sin.. .
exodus 20:13 versus 1 samuel 15:1, 7-11. .
Hey, what's goin' on in this heya thread? I want some of what you guys are smoking.
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if there is no god (however defined), do humans have more intrinsic value than animals?
feel free to offer brief or complex responses.
Forget the F&DS - Shack provides food at the proper time! This is fav-worthy stuff. I laughed my meat off the whole time.
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"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."
"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"
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"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."
"I thought you just told me they used radio."
"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."
"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much.
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if there is no god (however defined), do humans have more intrinsic value than animals?
feel free to offer brief or complex responses.
I think I'm spiraling towards nihilism.... for the rest of the day, at least.
Once upon a time, in some out of the way corner of that universe which is dispersed into numberless twinkling solar systems, there was a star upon which clever beasts invented knowing. That was the most arrogant and mendacious minute of "world history," but nevertheless, it was only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths, the star cooled and congealed, and the clever beasts had to die. One might invent such a fable, and yet he still would not have adequately illustrated how miserable, how shadowy and transient, how aimless and arbitrary the human intellect looks within nature. There were eternities during which it did not exist. And when it is all over with the human intellect, nothing will have happened. - - Nietzsche
is biblical morality situational, based upon the arbitrary whims of yahweh?
murder is wrong... if god orders it however, then murder is right, and failing to murder is a sin.. .
exodus 20:13 versus 1 samuel 15:1, 7-11. .
Name some big contradiction that changes anything meaninful to Christ and his life/teachings please.
#1. Human conception is the result of sex between a female and a male, not a female and a stiff breeze. pun
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if there is no god (however defined), do humans have more intrinsic value than animals?
feel free to offer brief or complex responses.
BTS: Is a cockroach life as valuable in his eyes as a human one?
Mmm, naturally I'd say no. But I think it's a valid question - why DOESN'T a cockroack deserve to live out it's life as much as I do? I've asked myself that a number of times about different species all the way down to mosquitoes (for which, I'm a serial killer). So far I've come up with a very weak life-span argument to make myself feel better but it's just that - weak. I really don't know.
I'm no monk but I believe I should be able to give a well thought-out reason as to why one species' life is worth more/less than another and I think it should stand apart from commonly-held bias. "That's the way it is" and "we've always done it that way" need not apply.
I'm not debating just to debate. I'm really trying to assess my own thinking here. I love a thick, juicy steak. There's no hidden agenda where I want to give up meat or take down the beef industry.
Woods: I am not trying to piss you off, SBC.
No pissage here, Woods.
Woods: I am just saying that the value of a human is greater than the value of an animal. Just that simple.
Just that simple to you, perhaps. But you also ignored my hypothetical questions about higher life forms killing humans for food or about the value of H. erectus/habilis if they walked the earth today. It's easy to wave off something like this as trivial or silly when you sit at the top of the food chain. But what if that wasn't the case?
This, to me, is a tricky issue because it presents some moral ambiguity in my mind. We would like to think we are moral and ethical creatures. And in some ways we seem to be. But when it comes down to it I'm beginning to wonder if we're just self-aggrandizing animals. Maybe I'm guilty of moral preening after all.
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if there is no god (however defined), do humans have more intrinsic value than animals?
feel free to offer brief or complex responses.
I haven't read that, ST, but it sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out, thanks.
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if there is no god (however defined), do humans have more intrinsic value than animals?
feel free to offer brief or complex responses.
Further, if you and I enter the wilderness unarmed, the animals hold a similar view of us. They view us as 'fair game' for food, etc.
I've thought about that in the past, too, LWT. But it always led me to more questions...
Of course, I'm pretty sure I have the capacity to kill another human in self defense just as I'd kill an animal in self defense... and wouldn't hesitate to butcher a horse if my family were starving. There I can find a consistent justification in that if a life/lives are threatened, I will set out to preserve my family's and my own. That sounds like a hard-wired evolutionary trait.
