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  Why Watchtower Teaching On Armageddon Is A Myth

  by Scott77 in

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  at romans 6:1-14, we read in part, but especially at 6:7, " for he who has died has been freed from sin.

  ... we have died with respect to the wrath that sin incurs, having had our sins forgiven".

  now stop and think.

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  ALL mind control cults do this to members. --Flipper

  Flipper, will you provide some examples on how other cults do this?
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  untitled

  by nextdoorgirl in

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  i need help understanding the tactics jws use when faced with direct accusations.

  for example, i told my jw boyfriend many of the things i am learning, such as:.

  me: wts matches all 8 of the signs of a cult and several secular sources include it in a list of known cults.

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  I need help understanding the tactics JWs use when faced with direct accusations. For example, I told my JW boyfriend many of the things I am learning, such as:

  Me: WTS matches all 8 of the signs of a cult and several secular sources include it in a list of known cults. His response: "No its not!! Where did you read that? Some Apostate lying website or some worldly people?? Its from the Satan's system of things!" (so, of course, it is inaccurate and all lies)

  (Then later, after mentioning it many times...)

  Him: "If God's organization is a cult, than I want to be in a cult." (This, after we discussed the Jim Jones cult, and he agreed it was horrendous what happened!)

  Me: WTS claims to "keep the congregation clean" hence, breaking up families by disfellowshipping for just no longer believing, yet they allow pedophiles to remain in the congregation (citing the two witness rule).

  He says: "I knew someone who was wrongfully accused by her ex-husband, and the courts took her kids away. People do evil things by accusation, and get their kids to say stuff, just for revenge.

  Me: It's better to let pedophiles remain in the congregation to protect wrongful accusations? Wouldn't you want to err on the side of caution and protecting the children, then the potential pedophile? I mean, not EVERY one of these cases are the kids lying. So, if their accusation is unheard and they are not told to report it, or are encouraged not to report it, so as not to "bring reproach on Jehovah," then there are some pedophiles in the congregation. How is that directed by God? Is that RIGHT?

  Him: "That's God's way of handling it, as in the bible, and I'm sticking with it. People are imperfect. What can you do? (he is resigned and untouched by these problems).

  "If it's good enough for God, its good enough for me."

  Gawd! I hate that kind of unthinking "reasoning."
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  Hard question

  by dgp in

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  2. bible

  a question for all those who managed to do it.

  when you realize that it's unrealistic to expect someone in the wt to ever leave, and when you see the damage it does you to keep hoping, and to keep trying to get them out, how do you manage the pain?.

  what do you do when you know that someone has spoiled the only life that person will ever have, yet you can't reach to them?.

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  So glad to hear, DiscoveringLife!!

  Hang in there, and keep it up!
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  WARNING: Guys, this make cause you to squirm.

  by Think About It in

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  2. friends

  woman jailed for testicle attack s bo s sf a woman who ripped off her ex-boyfriend's testicle with her bare hands has been sent to prison.amanda monti, 24, flew into a rage when geoffrey jones, 37, rejected her advances at the end of a house party, liverpool crown court heard.. she pulled off his left testicle and tried to swallow it, before spitting it out.

  a friend handed it back to mr jones saying: "that's yours.".

  monti admitted wounding and was jailed for two-and-a-half years.

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  How about the law regarding this, in Deut 23:1?

  (Deuteronomy

  23:1) “No man castrated by crushing the testicles or having his male member cut off may come into the congregation of Jehovah

  God's really got your back on this one! NOT!!
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  Current Tally of Members at JW.net

  by nextdoorgirl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how can we know how many members we have?

  i am trying to get an idea of how many have left the org.

  is there a place that says how many visitors we get here a month, too?.

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  Haha! Yeah, I realize that, about this not being an accurate representation of all people that have left....

  Rats, though. I would really like to have some idea of what is relevant. At least, what is the present number of dear ones here visiting this site.

  I am eagerly looking to the fall of the WT, and finally loosing all our loved ones, friends and family, so that we may care for them and help them start over.

  Love to you ALL! So GLAD you are HERE with us!!
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  Current Tally of Members at JW.net

  by nextdoorgirl in

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  how can we know how many members we have?

  i am trying to get an idea of how many have left the org.

  is there a place that says how many visitors we get here a month, too?.

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  How can we know how many members we have? I am trying to get an idea of how many have left the org. Also, how many are here. Is there a place that says how many visitors we get here a month, too?
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  Generation & "Even when you don't understand/feel uncomfortable with it..."

  by nextdoorgirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had been getting my hope up that this new generation teaching wouldn't make sense and cause my jw friends and family to wake up.i even asked my mom to explain the new generation teaching, but she didn't even know what i meant!

  slept through that meetin'?

  anyway, i had to tell her the march 15 wt, (which i studied thanks to the comments provided here on this wonderful board!

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  Yeah, when she asked that of me, I felt totally off gaurd. I hadn't realized she had just changed the subject. I felt totally lost, and also put on the spot.

  Thanks for explaining the change in dynamic there. Good strategy, on the rest.
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  Ode to the 192 Page Book

  by millions now living are dead in

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  ode to the 192 page book.

  once i wondered what life was all about.

  i struggled with faith, i struggled with doubt.

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  Hahaha @ Transhuman!

  I loved the poem! Great laugh! Witty!
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  Generation & "Even when you don't understand/feel uncomfortable with it..."

  by nextdoorgirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had been getting my hope up that this new generation teaching wouldn't make sense and cause my jw friends and family to wake up.i even asked my mom to explain the new generation teaching, but she didn't even know what i meant!

  slept through that meetin'?

  anyway, i had to tell her the march 15 wt, (which i studied thanks to the comments provided here on this wonderful board!

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  nextdoorgirl

  Edit: I meant, the average length between human generations was 30-35 years.
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  Generation & "Even when you don't understand/feel uncomfortable with it..."

  by nextdoorgirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had been getting my hope up that this new generation teaching wouldn't make sense and cause my jw friends and family to wake up.i even asked my mom to explain the new generation teaching, but she didn't even know what i meant!

  slept through that meetin'?

  anyway, i had to tell her the march 15 wt, (which i studied thanks to the comments provided here on this wonderful board!

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  Alright guys, I just talked to my mom tonight. Haven't got too far with my friend yet, no opportunities, but a few text messages.

  So! With my mom, I told her I had been doing a LOT of personal study and research lately, in the cd rom, insight books, etc. and I was trying to understand the Generation teaching from the April 15 WT. She said she wasn't familiar with it, but that they had changed it 3 years ago. I didn't remember that. She said it was something like an era, and gave the definition of a generation for era. I looked up both definitions, era and generation, and I told her she gave the correct definition for generation, but that wasn't the same as an era. They are not interchangeable words. Then, I reasoned on, "Say, the era of a phone. If phones were invented in 1910 and we still have phones, then we are still in the era of the phone....but that is not the same as generation."

  When I read her the dictionary online definition of generation she agreed. I supposed that the root word "Gene" came from the word produce, as in the word Genesis and Regenerate, as well as Generation. I gave the example of donuts coming down the conveyor in a factory, and then gave up on that, saying it was a bad example. (so much for thinking on your feet). Then I used the examples provided by the dictionary which said a mother and a daughter are two separate generations. "So, you would be the previous generation that generated me, the next generation," I said. She agreed. We also discussed how the dictionary said the average length of a human generation was 30-35 years, or about the age a parent had a kid. So, if it was a teenage mother, maybe 16 years would be the period between generations. She understood.

  I went back and read the scripture in Math 24 several times, letting his words speak, and said, "so, this generation would not pass away until all these signs were fulfilled." She agreed. She said they started in 1914, even the world says that. I agreed. I said I had read that the WT said that if you were 15 at the time you would be old enough to recognize the sign," she agreed. So, I said, so you'd have to born in 1899 to be 15 in 1914. So, all the people born about the same time would be born in the 1890s. (We had discussed the generation definition online as saying a "group all born about the same time" and I even looked up "generation" in the Aid To Bible Understanding book and read that definition to her, that stated the same thing. So, we reasoned that it would be like a cohort, like say, all 9th graders in high school, all born about the same time, would be considered a generation. She agreed. )

  "So, the person born in 1899, or earlier, would be, this is 2010, so they would be 111 years old, right?" I paused to let that sink in. I wanted her to come to her own conclusions, as tempting as it is to feed mine to her! And she said, knowing where I was going with this, "Yeah, but we have really old people that old and older still alive around the world." I said, "okay..." and began searching for that online. (Oh, I LOVE the internet!)

  While searching, I said, "Even so...I mean, according to Math, we still have several signs yet to go...I mean, the Great Tribulation hasn't begun yet and aren't there other signs too, like 'Peace and Security...And then it will come instantly upon you'? Wait, didn't that one come in 1986? I thought the Revelation book said that..." And she said, "No. We're still waiting for that one." So, I said, "Okay. So, we have a few more to go. I looked up oldest living persons and I found that we have three living people that are 113 and 114 years old, one in France and two in USA. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people ) So, we do have some still living from the 1890s that were around to see the sign. Well, they're pretty old now..and some of the sign hasn't even started yet. And there's only a FEW left, I mean maybe there are ten more that are unaccounted for. Isn't it fair to say that pretty much "this generation" HAS passed away already? I mean, did Jesus mean before EVERYONE died?"

  And she said, "Yes, we are really close to the end. Do you watch the news?" And she went on to tell me about some merging world bank, or something, saying many people are looking to the fact that there will be one final government, right before the end." She was a little excited. I said, "no, I didn't know about that."

  She said, "Do you believe that we are living in the last days?" I said, "I'm not sure. I feel like I have been a lazy brain for a long time and just believing whatever I was told and didn't really do much research on things, and I don't know if I could really explain my beliefs to anyone. So, I am reexamining things and doing a lot of research."

  She was surprised and asked again, "So you're not sure we're living in the last days?"

  So, I said, "I am just doing a lot of research now, and trying to 'make sure of all things.' Like 1 Thess 5:21 says "Test everything. Hold onto the good." And like 1 John 4:1 says "Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirit whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

  She was silent.. I felt like the implication that false prophets were near, was very thick. She said, "If you are setting up to say something against the Society, than I am ending this call right now."

  I said, "No..no. Just answering your question...." maybe a bit too innocently.

  There was a really long silence after that. I was silent because I was looking for something to say, literally feelling the time slip by as I tried to think of something else to say...I don't know why she was silent.

  Then she said she was tired (I was suspicious of this excuse, but it was after an hour plus convo and after 10pm) and she hoped things go well for me, I love you, good night.

  I said I loved her too.

  So....her suspicion is up now. I hadn't expected that reaction.

  Whaddya think?