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  Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

  if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

  and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

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  Mary

  Utterly nauseating. Of course, JWs will simply say "...there's got to be more to it than this. We abhore child abuse!!"

  This effing pig elder who did this needs to be thrown into general population and let nature take its course.
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  Honey who-who???

  by sparrowdown in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i do apologize for my extreme ignorance, but i am curious.. who the hell are honey boo boo, sugar bear and mama june??.

  and more to the point.. why the hell are some americans so obsessed with them?.

  i just don't get it.. .

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  Who the hell are honey boo boo, sugar bear and mama june??

  They're the Missing Link between humans and neanderthals.
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  $13.5 million to a San Diego man

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html#.

  the national organization for jehovah's witnesses was ordered to pay $13.5 million to a san diego man who says he was abused as a child by his bible teacher.

  nbc 7's rory devine reports on oct. 30, 2014.

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  “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse and strive to protect children from such acts,” the organization said in a statement.

  Ya riiiiight. Your '2 eye witness rule' really helps protect children from the pervs in the congregations. Don't worry Crooklyn, there's lots more judgements coming your way soon.

  Sooner. than. you . think !!!
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  How to Bewilder a Witness!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ask a witness what seems like a simple bible question: "nine verses in the bible tell us that jesus is going to judge the living and the dead.

  (john 5:28,29, acts 10:42, acts 17:31, romans 14:9, 2 cor.

  5:10, 2 tim.

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  I AGREE WITH THE JWs: THE 'SOUL' DOESN'T EXIST

  by NAVYTOWN in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i agree with the witnesses about almost nothing, but i do think they have the right idea when it concerns the 'soul'.

  it is my belief that there is no such entity as a 'soul' that resides in a human being.

  the idea originated in ancient, pre-scientific eras.

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  Mary

  Cantleave, the evidence you've provided, while certainly worth consideration, does not give any sort of rational explanation as to why these NDEs are occurring. Much of what you've quoted are the writings of militant atheists, such as Dr. Gerry Woerlee (whom I have had several conversations on-line with) who have a much vested interest in going to any lengths to try and explain these experiences away as mere hallucinations. He insists that her experience was caused by anesthesia awareness and will go to any lengths to try and discredit the possibility that our consciousness can survive outside of the physical body. Pam's eyes were taped shut during the surgery, there were nodules placed in her ears that would go off every few seconds and this was used to record any possible brain activity. There's no way she could have possibly either seen what was going on or heard it.

  When I compared the descriptions of NDEs with those who have had Anesthesia Awareness, it was pretty obvious that they are 2 completely different experiences. Diane Parr was unfortunate enough to experience AA during surgery and it bares no resemblance at all to those who experience NDEs. People who are blind from birth have been able to see visually for the first time during an NDE, but unfortunately, these experiences too are dismissed by fanatics like Worelee or Susan Blackmore who go to extraordinary lengths to try and discredit them as nothing more than fanciful hallucinations of the brain.

  Skeptics (who really are not skeptical at all---they should be renamed: Militant Non-Believers) have long asked for verifiable evidence that something survives the physical death, probably assuming that nothing would ever surface. However, each year, there is more and more evidence that something incredible is going on and it seems to happen as one approaches death. Those who simply have no belief at all in anything but a materialist world will never concede that something might survive the physical death and I find it rather disturbing that so many ex-JWs have simply swapped on set of fanatical beliefs with another and will not admit even the possibility that their view might not be telling the whole story.

  I think a good healthy dose of skepticism is something we should all have, but it shouldn't be so fanatical that we're not open to other possibilities. Just because something can't be replicated in a double-blind study under controlled conditions in a lab doesn't mean it's not real.
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  November 8th Special Meeting

  by Chris Tann in

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  2. friends

  anyone have any leaks on this three hour meeting we are having early november?.

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  Probably something about how close Armageddon is. No, we really mean it this time!

  On this note, does anyone know why at the KH's are getting the big screen TV's installed?
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  can anyone tell me how to fly under the radar of the elders?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have all my family in the cult and was brought up in it myself.

  although mentally i'm out if i leave i loose all my family and that would break my heart.

  i've somehow got to fly under the radar and not be detected.

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  Mary

  Oh dear, why am I getting deja vu?

  Your choices are basically this:

  1. Do The Fade and blame it on 'depression'.

  2. Move to another city

  3. Leave.

  4. Stay and maybe go to 1 meeting a month. The elders will only bug you for so long. If pressed, you could just say someone stumbled you.

  Unfortunately, in many cases like yours, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I had another friend who went back to the evil that is the WTS because he couldn't handle life without his family. To me, all this did was re-affirm to his family how wonderful the shunning is: If we totally ignore him, he'll come back. Now he gets to live the rest of his life as a JW knowing full well that it's a crock of shit. But apparently he thinks it's worth it to have the conditional love of his family.

  Sorry, but your choices are limited.
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  I AGREE WITH THE JWs: THE 'SOUL' DOESN'T EXIST

  by NAVYTOWN in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i agree with the witnesses about almost nothing, but i do think they have the right idea when it concerns the 'soul'.

  it is my belief that there is no such entity as a 'soul' that resides in a human being.

  the idea originated in ancient, pre-scientific eras.

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  Then they weren't dead were they

  No you're right they weren't. That's why they're called Near Death Experiences. They've experiencing something incredible that apparently happens when you're near death. And no, all of these experiences cannot simply be dismissed as 'hallucinations' or 'lucky guesses'. Two of the best cases that have been studied is the Pam Reynolds Case and the 'Denture Man Case'.

  I can't seem to link them, but if you're interested, here they are: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html

  http://neardth.com/denture-man.php
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  I AGREE WITH THE JWs: THE 'SOUL' DOESN'T EXIST

  by NAVYTOWN in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i agree with the witnesses about almost nothing, but i do think they have the right idea when it concerns the 'soul'.

  it is my belief that there is no such entity as a 'soul' that resides in a human being.

  the idea originated in ancient, pre-scientific eras.

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  Mary

  I toyed for a while about a life after death and I can see both sides of the argument. I read an excellent book on the subject last year called Science and the Near Death Experience: How Consciousness Survives Death. I found it to be very informative and what I liked about it, is that there was no religious agenda in it.

  One things for sure: we'll all find out if there's an afterlife when our turn comes.
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  Find What Your Social Status Was in the Congregation

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever notice how the "happiest people on earth" are also the most class-oriented?

  the social structure in the congregation is more complex than the blueprints of a nuclear warhead, but just so that you "remember your place", see if you can find where your niche was/is:.

  1. at the top of the social order of things within the congregation is of course, the presiding overseer and his family.

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  Mary

  Presiding Overseers are now Coordinator of the Body of Elders

  Aw geeze, really? Guess I haven't been keeping up with 'noo lite'!