i think it's time bethel got a new sign out front, one that really speaks volumes and is far more suitable to their "read god's word the bible daily.
i was thinking: .
oh what a web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!
I think it's time Bethel got a new sign out front, one that really speaks volumes and is far more suitable to their "Read God's Word the Bible Daily."
I was thinking:
Oh What A Web We Weave, When First We Practice To Deceive!"
Anyone else got any ideas as to what you'd like to see posted outside Bethel these days?
i feel that the apostate's claims that rutherford was a drunk to be far fetched.
on the one hand, they claim that he was so drunk that the brothers at bethel shipped him to san diego to beth sarim, where he stayed drunk out of his mind, then on the other hand, they claimed that he ruled the society with an iron fist, that he was a dictator.
no drunk could have ruled the society like a dictator.
Wholewheat, you obviously are not open-minded enough to consider any evidence at all that shows Rutherford to be an alcoholic. Anyone who worked with him at the Bethel and who came forth to talk about the booze, you label as an "apostate". Just like the crap that comes out in the Watchtower study articles, anyone who questions the "Slave Class" is immediately labelled an "apostate", even though they're always real careful not to specify what doctrine is being questioned.
Perhaps if the rank and file Witness had been able to hear Raymond Franz' discoveries 25 years ago, regarding 607BCE and other "established" doctrines, then it would have been obvious to anyone able to think for themselves that it was the rest of the Governing Body members who were the apostates: purposely lying about bible doctrines so that no one would find out about their hypocracy and deceitfulness.
Here's something for you to ponder over: Please show me from THE BIBLE - not the Society's publications, where apostasy means not agreeing wholeheartedly with the Governing Body members on doctrines that they know perfectly well, are false. Or where it means speaking out against an organization that protects pedophiles? No? Can't find one? That's because it's not there. The one scripture that comes close to describing "apostasy" is in 1John 2:22 that says: Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son" - not a dozen men in Brooklyn............bit of a difference there, eh?
i feel the need for a rant!
i had a conversation with my jw elder father tonight that has left me seething.
just to set the scene, i left the jws back in 1994. i was baptized, having been dfd and reinstated a couple of years prior to my final exit in 94. i was never dfd again and pretty much left to my own devices.
I'm surprised that you were so upset at your dads reaction........after all, there probably isn't an elder alive that approves of his daughter "living in sin" as you put it.
While I certainly don't agree with the Organizations view on most things, I still believe people are far better off getting married and THEN having kids. Surprisingly, statistics show that if you live together before getting married, your chances of splitting up are 4 times as likely as those that get married without living together. I'm not sure why this is, but dats the way it is..............you're actually lucky to have your parents still talk to you: I know alot that have left the Organization and their familes won't even speak to them!!! Pretty scary that a religion has that kind of control, but this one certainly does.
Marriage isn't "just a piece of paper"; it's a wonderful way for two people to publically commit themselves to each other. A driver's license is technically also "just a piece of paper"; someone can drive a car with or without it, but I think we'd all agree (especially if you get pulled over), that it's a good thing you have "just a piece of paper"......
it has recently occured to me after visiting one of americas largest family theme parks that there are similarities between the wts and disney.
we all know how the wts puts much emphasis on appearances.
eg...men must wear suits, ties, no beards, no hair touching the ear or collar, no pants for women, nothing that would appear "wordly" (for those of you not informed, "wordly" refers to anyone not a jw).
Both can make the same claim:
It all started with a Mouse..............
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
(although I admit: Mickey was alot cuter than Charles Russell..................)
i was just watching larry king live.
there was this interview with amw.
they were asking for help in their hunt for pedophiles.
Did anyone hear anything more about that husband and wife that were supposed Witnesses (I heard they hadn't gone to the hall in 10 years), that literally whipped their daughter to death because the father didn't think she was "looking hard enough" for some keys? I know the Child Welfare dept. has the other kids, as they had all been abused and the parents are being charged with first degree murder.
I didn't know if anything else had transpired with these losers, but if I were running the show, they'd both die the same way they killed their daughter.........sick bastards.
i feel that the apostate's claims that rutherford was a drunk to be far fetched.
on the one hand, they claim that he was so drunk that the brothers at bethel shipped him to san diego to beth sarim, where he stayed drunk out of his mind, then on the other hand, they claimed that he ruled the society with an iron fist, that he was a dictator.
no drunk could have ruled the society like a dictator.
There are various degress of alcoholism, but without any doubt, Rutherford most definitely had a "drinking problem". This could account for his rather bizarre behaviour at times; his dictatorlike-rule of the Organization, his idea that 'only the best will do for me', his arrogance, his hatred of the Jews (as is documented in the letter to Hitler telling him how the Organization "stands for the same high moral principles as the Third Reich") his weird ideas about the Beth-Sarim house and the "imminent" resurrection of all the 'faithful ones of old'......his verbal comments that Prohibition was from "the Devil"..........the guy was really out to lunch and did alot of damage.......
Winston Churchill is known bascially as a 'war hero', but he drank an excessive amount of booze every day, so it is certainly possible to be an alcoholic and run a corporation.............
i was just watching larry king live.
there was this interview with amw.
they were asking for help in their hunt for pedophiles.
That is so pathetic that they disfellowshipped her on the grounds of "causing division in the congregation"...........what a bunch of assholes. I really, really hope that Barb Anderson sues the pants off these elders that did this. They know full well that they disfellowshipped her because she spoke out on Dateline about the coverup in the Organization.
I read somewher on another post, a letter from her lawyer to the elders on her Judicial Committee that if the harassment didn't stop, he would recommend that Barb assert her rights to freedom of speech which presumably would include a lawsuit. If these elders were sued PERSONALLY, and faced losing their homes or having their paychecks garnished (presuming that they all work and aren't on disability like half the loser elders I know), then they might think twice before the DF her or anyone else for speaking out.
The scandal from any JWs who speak out getting DF'd would be yet ANOTHER appropriate theme for a Dateline or 20/20 show. I'd like to see these elders or even better, the GB subpoenaed in a court of law to explain their pathetic actions. They'd make total idiots out of themselves, I'm sure, but I'd like to see them exposed for the pathetic control freaks that they are.
everyone remember a few years ago with the gb decided that the rank and file witness just wasn't bugging the hell out of enough people because no one was ever home saturday morning?
they came up with the brainstorming idea to approach people in parking lots!!!
(ya, that goes over reeeeeeeal well)......as if going to the person's home to tell them about their imminent death wasn't bad enough, now ya gotta tell them when they're out shopping!
Everyone remember a few years ago with the GB decided that the rank and file Witness just wasn't bugging the hell out of enough people because no one was ever home Saturday morning? They came up with the brainstorming idea to approach people in PARKING LOTS!!! (ya, that goes over reeeeeeeal well)......as if going to the person's home to tell them about their imminent death wasn't bad enough, now ya gotta tell them when they're out shopping! Yes brothers and sisters, a New Method of Preaching is at hand!
What you do is this:
Go inside a stall in the washroom at your local shopping mall and wait for a victim to appear. As soon as you hear them go into their own stall, wait 20 seconds and then dash out of your stall and start preaching to them, maybe by asking if they think mankind will ever be able to solve the problem of diarrhea. Giggle at their predicament, secure in the knowledge that they can't get away from you and have to pay "close attention" to what you're saying. Ignore their verbal threats by talking louder than them, shouting if necessary. If you think they're getting close to coming out, quickly shove the latest articles of the Watchtower and Awake! under the stall, and offer them a free bathroom bible study. For the truly daring, you might thrust your other outstretched hand under the stall and ask them if they would care to contribute to the world-wide preaching work. Keep it moving back and forth because they may, in their fury, try to stamp on your hand.
When you're pretty sure that they are going to be coming out soon, tell them how much you enjoyed talking to them and prepare to leave. On your way out, flick the bathroom light on and off several times, giving the room a "disco" effect. This will temporarily confuse and/or blind them, giving you a chance to get away.
Head for the nearest coffee shop, waiting 10 minutes and then repeat above performance. Make sure you've got health coverage because you will have the living shit beat out of you at one time or another.
Report each session as a Return Visit.........hehehehehehehehe..........
going to the assembly this year?
are you ready to fall asleep by 10:05am when the opening song and prayer are over?
wonder how you'll ever make it to 5 o'clock without losing it?
Mary Mary! Thank you for the smiles!Please read Mulan's thread...If not..just her post only! It's well worth you effort!
Great minds think alike; I laughed my head off!!
going to the assembly this year?
are you ready to fall asleep by 10:05am when the opening song and prayer are over?
wonder how you'll ever make it to 5 o'clock without losing it?
"......Hi Mary! Thx for your Tips! I was disfellowed 4 weeks ago and havnt had any good laughs since that day. You really made may day. Greetings from Sweden...."
Hi Kjell;
Sorry to hear about you getting DF'd........alot of my friends no longer go to the Hall, and one disassociated himself a couple of years ago so it can be tough.........I'm glad I could make you smile.
