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  They're Baaaaaaack

  by BadJerry in

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  just got off the phone w/ the elder that was supposed to meet me in the parking lot.

  all i felt was pity for this poor man who couldn't come out and say what he was really feeling.

  instead, just excuses.... 1. meeting in the parking lot - they just wanted to meet there for my convienence.

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  I would tape record any further conversations with any of the elders, cause you never know what bull is gonna come out of their mouths.......

  If you do decide to talk to this guy again, just ask him point blank if he thinks its "Christ like" to tell everyone else at the KH not to talk to you.......would JESUS ever do that? No? But He sure blasted the Pharisees for acting like that.

  Depending on how much you want to fight this, I'd write down a bunch of scriptures and quote it to THEM, instead of letting THEM quote their crap to you. And I would further pass them a bible and say, please show me from THE BIBLE, where it says it's okay to shun someone for not thinking like you........
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  CHILDREN

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  the quotes below just make me sick!.

  look at these wicked mind-control teachings (which are like so many others)!.

  *** watchtower april 15th 1995 issue ***.

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  Alot of the problem is how Witnesses define "wicked". Now we all know, that in the mind of the average Dub, "wicked" = "anyone who is not a dedicated baptised Witness of Jehovah" - end of story.

  If any of them though, tried looking up the meaning of the word "wicked" they'd see that it doesn't have quite the same meaning. The Oxford English Dictorary gives the following definition to the word "wicked":

  1. bad in moral character, disposition or conduct;
  2. practising evil;
  3. morally depraved;
  4. bad, in various senses;
  5. beastly;
  6. cruel, severe, fierce
  7. potentially harmful, destructive.

  Of course, if you brought this to any of the Witnesses' attention, they just quickly move on to another scripture, because they know full well that there are many "worldly" people who lead clean, decent lives.

  As a last resort to "prove" that Jehovah is going to kill all these children of non-wicked people really really soon now, they always use that scripture (can't even remember where it is now) that says: "In case I say to someone wicked "you will positively die" and you do not warn him about the error of his way, he in his own error will die, but his blood I will ask back from your own hand."

  This is one of the absolute all-time favorite scriptures that they like to use to "prove" that all Christians are required, on pain of death, to "preach in all the inhabited earth". They basically just scare the shit out of everyone, telling them that they'll die and their children and their childrens children will die too, if they don't go out in Service on a regular basis.

  They're also really fond of using past examples of when Jehovah brought destruction on people: everyone "wicked" died, including their children.

  Somehow, I don't think Jehovah is nearly as judgemental as the Governing Body members, and perhaps one day, they'll be surprised at what their destiny will be........break out the hotdogs and marshmallows.................
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  Godfather Rutherford (Photoshop-fun)

  by Rado Vleugel in

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  not marlon brando, but rutherford is the original godfather!.

  rado vleugel.

  http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/

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  Mary

  Oh my god, that's hilarious.............I'll bet he tried sneaking a horse's ass into Elliott Ness' bed during Prohibition too..................
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  ANYONE TRY HYPNOSIS?

  by Mary in

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  i'm considering trying hypnosis to help me win my everlasting battle with weight, but naturally i have feelings of guilt because we were told as jws that we cannot use hypnosis....... .

  anyway, has anyone here ever tried hypnosis?

  i would be interested in hearing if it helped you at all.

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  Thanks everyone for their comments..........I am seriously considering giving the hypnotherapy a try....

  FreePeace: I've checked out your board and it sounds very interesting......unfortunately, I'm nowhere near Florida, I'm in Canada, but if you want to send me a plane ticket around mid-March when I'm freezing my ass off up here, I'd be glad to visit your clinic!!! hahaha..........

  I work out at the gym 4 - 5 times per week, try to drink 8 glasses of water a day and try to watch what I eat (but my eyes aren't quick enough.....heh-heh) and I haven't lost one freakin pound in the last 6 weeks!! Part of it is because I'm an emotional eater - I eat when I'm stressed, bored, tired whatever, and that's very difficult to overcome.

  I'm considering also trying the Klein-Becker product called Dermalin-aPG that I saw advertised. It's very expensive but I'm willing to give it a whirl.

  Tinkerbell and LB, thanks for your comments about weight loss; I'll email you direct. :-)
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  Adult Children of Alcoholics

  by Ray Skyhorse in

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  how do witnesses view aa meetings and aca meetings?

  are they ok with the 12 steps?

  the reason i am asking is because i think it might be beneficial for my jw-wife to attend some aca meetings but i'm unsure of how "anti-aa" the witnesses are.. also, if anyone care to make any comments re aca meetings, i'm all ears.

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  It probably depends on how anal the people are in your Hall. We had an elder who had been a secret alcoholic for years and he went to AA and no one batted an eyelash........

  One thing you might want to consider is checking your local college or university for courses on helping Adult Children of Alcoholics as many of them offer this. It could give you more insight on how to deal with problems when they arise.

  Good luck.

  Edited by - Mary on 27 August 2002 20:45:50
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  ghosts

  by freedom96 in

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  not to get too deep of a "scary" subject, but wanted to hear opinions out there.. when taught at the kh, we were always told there is no such things as ghosts, but if there were one it was a demon.

  i want to use that as an example to how dogmatic they are about so many things, that if they say it to be one way, then that is the truth period.. as it turns out, growing up, we had a ghost in our house.

  don't laugh, it is true.

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  Lilacs said: "...Right after he said that, someone, or thing knocked on our bedroom door. Remember, I had checked the doors before going to bed, so no one could have come in the house. Both of us were to frightened to open the door to check it out. What do you think it was?..."

  Probably Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Just kidding.........I don't know what to believe on alot of stuff that the JWs teach, but I most definitely believe in Satan and his demons, and not just because of what we were taught at the Hall, but even from what I've heard worldly people say. Curiosity is in our nature, but there are things that we simply should not get involved with and Satanic cults is one of them.

  As for what was outside your door, well it could easily have been a demon, but I doubt that it got there just by your asking questions. Maybe your father-in-law brought something over to your house that you didn't know about - something that could have been part of his worship?? Who knows.........
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  ANYONE TRY HYPNOSIS?

  by Mary in

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  i'm considering trying hypnosis to help me win my everlasting battle with weight, but naturally i have feelings of guilt because we were told as jws that we cannot use hypnosis....... .

  anyway, has anyone here ever tried hypnosis?

  i would be interested in hearing if it helped you at all.

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  Mary

  I'm considering trying hypnosis to help me win my everlasting battle with weight, but naturally I have feelings of guilt because we were told as JWs that we cannot use hypnosis.......

  Anyway, has anyone here ever tried hypnosis? I would be interested in hearing if it helped you at all.

  Either I try this, or I'm getting a one-way ticket to Ethiopia............
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  ghosts

  by freedom96 in

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  not to get too deep of a "scary" subject, but wanted to hear opinions out there.. when taught at the kh, we were always told there is no such things as ghosts, but if there were one it was a demon.

  i want to use that as an example to how dogmatic they are about so many things, that if they say it to be one way, then that is the truth period.. as it turns out, growing up, we had a ghost in our house.

  don't laugh, it is true.

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  No experiences myself, but my one girlfriend and her husband (who stopped going to meetings about 5 years ago) live in an old duplex in a nice area. Weird stuff has gone on, like her 9 year old son saw an old man floating above his bed one night about a foot from his face and then he disappeared into the wall.

  My girlfriend herself has heard her husband call her name, not once but twice on occasions when he's not even home and she occassionally feels 'someone' poke her.

  Once the telephone receiver flew off the phone (it was on a table) and landed about 5 feet away.

  She spoke to some of her neighbours who all confirmed that yes, it was well known that her home had a ghost in it. I asked why she didn't move. She said "I guess you just get used to it. It doesn't happen very often and they're not violent."

  Personally, I would be GONE if I thought either a demon/ghost were in my house. I think Eddie Murphy said it really well in his 1983 stand-up routine called DELIRIOUS:

  "I gotta question: Why do white people stay in the home if there's a ghost?? Y'all stay in the house too f*cking long! It's very simple: If there's a ghost in the house - get the f#ck out!"

  My feelings exactly.
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  WTS Changes Media Info on DF'ing

  by FreePeace in

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  i don't know if this has already been posted (as i don't visit as much anymore).

  the wts has changed the info in the faq section of their media site,

  http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm

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  Mary

  "....Those who simply leave the faith are not shunned. If, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkenness, stealing, or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped..."

  This is half-true. If you simply drift away, you won't be DF'd, but if you disassociate yourself, yes, you are treated just like a disfellowshipped person, as they don't view that as just "drifting away". To them, you've stood up and said "I don't want to be known as a JW anymore." The Society views that almost as the same as apostacy.

  What is really outrageous though, are the REASONS why so many are disfellowshipped. When you read the scriptures, it says that "anyone who is called a brother" who is a drunk (guess that means 99% of the elders should be DF'd), an adulterer, a fornicator, a greedy person, a thief, etc. etc. should be "as a tax collector".

  I don't recall any scripture that says you can disfellowship someone for questioning certain teachings of the GB though. Doesn't the scriptures say "....make sure of all things...."??? Guess that doesn't apply to the rank and file Witness.

  Therefore, to me, they have no grounds whatsoever to have DF'd Bill Bowan, Barbara Anderson and her husband, or any of the countless ones who were molested by ones in the congregation and who went to the police. "Causing divisions in the congregation" was not mentioned in the list of "offenses" and even if it were, these people are to be treated "as a tax collector" or "a person of the nations".

  Less the Governing Body forget, Jesus ATE with the tax collectors and certainly never shunned a "person of the nations". While these classes of people were not everyone's favorite person, Jesus himself NEVER taught his followers to ignore someone, so the Governing Body is actually going directly against what Jesus taught.

  What idiots they truly are............
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  Professor talks about JWs in my 1st college course

  by writerpen in

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  okay, i was sitting there just learning (this is my first college course toward my b.a.

  ), and all of the sudden the professor asks, "is anyone here a jehovahs witness?

  " (this is a required religion course).

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  Mary

  gsx1138 said: "Do they teach about other religions besides Christianity?"

  Your college or university will almost certainly teach other religions besides Christianity. They probably offer courses on Judaism, Islam, Buddism, Hindu, as well as some ancient religions.