Posts by Mary

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WT Abuse Article, Boston Globe

by HoChiMin in

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chech out link,.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/001/metro/suit_charges_church_coverup+.shtml.

suit charges church coverup.

Mary

I think they should change the greeting outside of Bethel. Instead of it reading: "Read God's Word the Bible Daily", it should read: "Oh what a web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."

What a bunch of assholes. We can only hope and pray that the Governing Body members themselves, will be forced to testify in open court about how they've covered up thousands of these cases. To have their sorry asses thrown in jail for their part in all this, would be justice and vindication for all Silent Lambs.

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I'm the Dad of a Silent Lamb...

by CoonDawg in

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i never thought that they could be this dumb.

i called an elder in the cong.

where my daughter's abuser lives.

Mary

Coon, I am so sorry to hear what you're going through with these brain-dead elders. It's amazing how they've known about this for over 2 months and still haven't done a f#cking thing about it, but if they catch you celebrating Christmas, you're disfellowshipped at the next frigging meeting...............I'm glad to see you're considering a lawsuit because this'll be the only thing that'll force change.........I'm trying to decide whether I like Bendrr or Francois' idea for what you should do to the creep who did this to your daughter.

Keep us posted.

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POSSBILE TACTIC FOR ELDERS VISITS

by Mary in

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an "inactive" friend of mine (hasn't gone to the hall for about 11 years now) was visted by the elders on yep, you guessed it: christmas day.

they asked her the standard questions: do you still view yourself as a jw?

do you believe this is god's organization?

Mary

ISP said: if your buddy thinks these guys are paedophiles....she should go to the police......period. No bargaining.....If they are not paedophiles.......saying they are in print is damn stupid...."

No, she's not going to actually say that they're pedophiles, but she would say something like "I would not want these men around my children." There's no accusation of pedophilia there, but alot of people might THINK that that's what she's talking about. If they tried suing her for slander, she could innocently say something like "I wouldn't want them around my children, brainwashing them with their insane doctrines." or something like that. The point is: these loving elders would look REALLY bad, no matter what, in their local community and what that would do to their "preaching" work is food for thought! It might make these elders think twice before they try ruining everyone's lives, if their own life had the potential to be ruined.

Monster asked: On the grounds that she doesn't believe it's God Organization and they are from the Devil. Why would she want to stay part of it? If she's going to lose her family members I can understand that but for what other reason would anyone want to stay in there?

Monster, you're correct, that's the ONLY reason why anyone in this situation would want to fight back, is because they still have family that are Witnesses. From the posts I've seen here, those who have no family in Dubdom Land, couldn't care less if they're DF'd cause they're not losing anything.

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POSSBILE TACTIC FOR ELDERS VISITS

by Mary in

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an "inactive" friend of mine (hasn't gone to the hall for about 11 years now) was visted by the elders on yep, you guessed it: christmas day.

they asked her the standard questions: do you still view yourself as a jw?

do you believe this is god's organization?

Mary

An "inactive" friend of mine (hasn't gone to the Hall for about 11 years now) was visted by the elders on yep, you guessed it: Christmas Day. They asked her the standard questions: Do you still view yourself as a JW? Do you believe this is God's Organization? To which she firmly replied "no, you people are from your father the Devil."

Well, they told her that they were going to Disfellowship her. She asked on what grounds? She hasn't gone to the Hall in years! They made a few vague remarks and she said that it was slander on their part, and if they tried DF'ing her, she would announce it in the local newspapers that brothers so-and-so DF'd her without any reason whatsoever (it would cost her a few hundred bucks, but she would definitely do it). She promised that she'd name their names and would suggest that they're both pedophiles. I guess they said something like "we'll have you charged with slander" to which she replied "well then, that'll make two of us!"

They left without DFing her and I haven't heard anything read out at the Hall about it either. I think she managed to scare them a bit, and I think that this might be something others can try. Can you imagine the embarrassment if your name was published in the local newspaper for something like this? And if anyone even hinted that you might be a pedophile, that'd do them more harm than anything.

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Keep or dump

by Mercedes in

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i need some advice.

i have been dating this guy for 3 years.

of those 3 years, he has cheated on me many many times, but i can only prove some.

Mary

Good Lord! I'm amazed you even have to ask this question! How do you KNOW he's still not cheating on you??? And if you think that down the road, he's not gonna hit you again, then think again. Men who hit their girlfriends/wives are LOSERS and they rarely, if ever change.

The very fact that you've stuck around this jerk-off for so long says that you need to get yourself into some sort of therapy. I watched a program on TV a couple of weeks ago, dealing with this very subject. One doctor said that there is "a certain chemistry between men who abuse women and women who let men abuse them." Generally, it's low self-esteem that's the problem: you don't want to be alone, or you figure that this is all you deserve, and you figure he's better than no one. I have a friend like this and I just don't get it. Her boyfriend treats her like absolute dirt and her response every time is "it's better than being alone."

Get rid of this guy, get some professional help and rent that movie "ENOUGH" with Jennifer Lopez, or "The Burning Bed" with Farrah Fawcett to see how they deal with their lousy husbands.

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What did you eat on New Years?

by Trauma_Hound in

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what are you going to eat, or did you eat on new years?

i'm going to have fresh atlantic salmon, and lobster.

Mary

We're having smoked salmon canopes, battered shrimp and brie cheese in phyllo pastry baked with mushrooms on top......and some vino to top it all off! I probably won't make it right to midnight but what the hell - I start watchin' my weight tomorrow, so tonights the big night........

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help for hangovers

by heathen in

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here is a site that might help those who get a little carried away tonight .http://www.all-about-hangovers.com/.

have fun

Mary

Best way to prevent or help a hangover, is to drink a glass of water for each alcoholic drink you have.........and, here's a little somethin' I used to find helped a bit: before you go to bed (or pass out), take a couple of gravol pills........it'll help you sleep longer and will also help settle your stomach........

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Which Watchtower teachings lack logic?

by sleepy in

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which watchtower teachings lack logic?.

i know you're all tempted to say all of them, but some beliefs if the facts were true, would be logical.. which ones that are supposed to be a logical consequence of a true fact are in fact not logical whether the fact is true or not?.

for an example of logical belief based on untrue or unprovable fact , if god created adam and all humans came from him,(supposed fact) he could pass on defects in his genes to all humans and we could all be "imperfect".this we could call logical.. a watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example jw's who go through armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.. so which teachings are based on beliefs that are not true and which ones are just not logical?

Mary

Good point DIM...........just another nail in the coffin of the "invisible return" doctrine..........

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Which Watchtower teachings lack logic?

by sleepy in

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which watchtower teachings lack logic?.

i know you're all tempted to say all of them, but some beliefs if the facts were true, would be logical.. which ones that are supposed to be a logical consequence of a true fact are in fact not logical whether the fact is true or not?.

for an example of logical belief based on untrue or unprovable fact , if god created adam and all humans came from him,(supposed fact) he could pass on defects in his genes to all humans and we could all be "imperfect".this we could call logical.. a watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example jw's who go through armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.. so which teachings are based on beliefs that are not true and which ones are just not logical?

Mary

The notion that Jesus "returned invisibly" never made sense to me, even when I was a true believer. Matthew chapter 24 just confirms that. When the disciples asked Jesus "when will these things be and what will be the sign of your COMING and of the end of the age?" I hardly think they were asking him 'please tell us when you'll be returning invisibly so we can start to make predictions and speculation on prophecy.' They expected a VISIBLE return. That it would not be an "invisible", secret return is clearly shown in vs. 30. After giving all the signs that would lead up to His Return, it says:

"An then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, an all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of haven with power and great glory."

Of course, the JWs say "this means that only JWs would 'see' him, with the eye of understanding, not with their literal eyes." Even if you discount the sheer absurdity of such ridiculous reasoning, a good question is: why didn't the brothers predict this then? They said Jesus "returned invisibly in 1914", over a decade later! So they didn't "see" anything with the "eye of understanding when this event supposedly happened." DUUUUUUHHHH.

The Gentile Times is also another stupid doctrine. Discounting the 607 BCE doctrine, still doesn't make it any more believable. Luke 21 vs. 20 - 24 says "Furthermore, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near (this is obviously talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE)...........and they will fall by the edge of the sword (still talking about the destruction in 70 CE) and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times are fulfilled (suddenly, this is talking about 1914!)..........if they only had a brain................

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What Are Your New Year's Resolutions?

by SpannerintheWorks in

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mine are:.

don't be late!.

don't drink so much!.

Mary

Lose weight

Win the lottery.

not necessarily in that order .