Posts by Mary

to understand the significance of this, one has to think carefully about the efficacy of fines as a punishment for a defendant pool that includes the richest people on earth people who simply get their companies to pay their fines for them.

conversely, one has to consider the powerful deterrent to further wrongdoing that the state is missing by not introducing this particular class of people to the experience of incarceration.

Mary

Thanks for that article Justitia. I've often wondered that myself over the last year or so. WTH hasn't anyone been held accountable for this mess? And instead of giving billions of dollars to the banks and all the big companies, wouldn't it have made more sense to give the money to the average Jo so they could pay off their mortgage and keep their homes?

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Man's Face Swallowed By Tumors Because JW Mom Refuses Surgery!

by ProdigalSon in

it gets worse daily, it seems.

just saw an hour-long program on this poor guy, on the learning channel..... "the man who lost his face".

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56437.41352.0.

Mary

"Jose would eventually be forced to decide between death from complications of frequent bleeding from the growing tumor, or renouncing his faith and receiving definitive surgery," he said.

Ya. But just think how happified Jehovah would be to watch this guy's face not only be taken over by massive tumors which would eventually kill him (after enduring a horrific and painful existence), rather than accept blood from another live human being.

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Watchtowers Email on Blood

by Marvin Shilmer in

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watchtowers email on blood.

most witnesses are shocked to learn that under watchtowers blood doctrine jehovahs witnesses can accept a component that is more than 50% of the volume of whole blood.

i just uploaded a new blog article showcasing this piece of information.

Mary

Thanks so much for that information Marvin. I wonder how many Witnesses have needlessly died because they did were not aware of this.

Ironic isn't it, that we, as ex-Witnesses, probably know far more about the blood doctrine, fractions, plasma, etc. than what most active Witnesses do.

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Feb. 15th WT - WT Society says DFed Ones are Lawless- Just Like Demons

by flipper in

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i would assume that some or a good number of us here as normal humans in this society - consider " lawless " actions to include murder , robbery, extortion, rape, child abuse, war , terrorism, etc.

the wt society has their own definition of what's considered " lawless ".

anything that's considered a disfellowshipping offense in the jehovah's witnesses is now considered " lawless ".

Mary

WTF?! Mary, can you give us the background story to that Jimmy Swaggart appeal thing you posted?

Certainly. Remember in the late 1980s when we were told not to charge any money for the magazines anymore, but that we would accept a 'donation'? That's because a new tax was going to be implemented on religious books in the USA and the WTS---of course thinking that the laws for mere mortals don't apply to them, decided they didn't want to pay them. The government had originally gone after the Jimmy Swaggart Ministries and the Organization knew they'd be next, so they actually filed a 'friend of the court' in support of the Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, so that they wouldn't have to pay the Tax Man.

You can read all about here:

http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/watchtower-money/watchtower-society-and-donations/comment-page-1/

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Feb. 15th WT - WT Society says DFed Ones are Lawless- Just Like Demons

by flipper in

jw
friends

i would assume that some or a good number of us here as normal humans in this society - consider " lawless " actions to include murder , robbery, extortion, rape, child abuse, war , terrorism, etc.

the wt society has their own definition of what's considered " lawless ".

anything that's considered a disfellowshipping offense in the jehovah's witnesses is now considered " lawless ".

Mary

djeggnog said: There are always going to be court cases until the end of this wicked system of things arrives, but if you were a pedophile that preyed on pre-teens -- and I don't say you are, but I'm speaking hypothetically here -- and you were sued by someone that did not really know you, but believed that you were still one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and thought, "Oh, God! I could potentially obtain a six-figure settlement from the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society were I to say that I used to let my nine-year-old son spend an hour studying the Bible each week with this guy...

Are you actually trying to say that the cases that the WTS settled were all because of former Witnesses and that all the victims were liars?? If you are, then you're even more pathetic than what I originally thought. I guess you never read all the evidence that Barbara Anderson put together showing that the powers that be knew full well that active Witnesses were molesting children for years while they sat there and did nothing. Do you, or the pathetic cult you're defending use that same sort of logic when bashing the Catholic Church for the same thing?

"For instance, terrible damage is done when religious authorities tolerate abusive priests who persistently molest boys and girls. "Treating the children as occasions of sin," commented one reporter in Ireland, "the church authorities merely moved on the offending priest [to another location]."---July 15, 2001 Watchtower pp. 21-22 Are You Truly Tolerant?

"....the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops concluded recently that it was a "general conspiracy of silence" that allowed gross child abuse to persist among the Catholic clergy for decades. Time magazine, in reporting on the widespread plague of incest, also cited a "conspiracy of silence" as a factor that "only helps perpetuate the tragedy" in families."----October 8, 1993 Awake! pp. 5-6 How Can We Protect Our Children?

But of course, being a Company Man, you do exactly what you accuse others of and simply look the other way and try telling everyone else 'nothing to see here---move along to the Catholic Church.'

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Jack Barr, immortal? More from the Watchtower of May 15, 2011

by dgp in

first and foremost, i would like to clarify that i am in no way making fun of jack barr.

he is dead and deserves respect.. .

that said, the organization he belonged to and led doesn't deserve any respect.

Mary

And geeze......why are they doing artwork that has connections with other ancient gods or goddesses like Venus, or the Ancient Egyptian god Griffin:

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Jack Barr, immortal? More from the Watchtower of May 15, 2011

by dgp in

first and foremost, i would like to clarify that i am in no way making fun of jack barr.

he is dead and deserves respect.. .

that said, the organization he belonged to and led doesn't deserve any respect.

Mary

dgp does bring up another valid point though. Since the body is not raised and they do NOT beleive in an immortal soul what exactly is raised, what exactly becomes immortal. What is it that puts on immortality??

This is major problem for the Writing Department (as are most of their doctrines when scrutinized). According to WT theology, when an 'annointed one dies, their body dies but they don't have an immortal soul or spirit that carries on, but instead they are um, 'transformed into a new spiritual being who is now immortal and will live with Jesus forever.' My question to that is: if it is not actually an 'immortal soul' but simply a brand new creation that had no link to the physical body, how would they retain their memories of being a human? How would they know who or what they are if it was all brand spankin' new to them at the moment of death. Wouldn't they be as much in the dark as what Adam was when he was first created?

It's obvious that as per usual, the Society likes to twist the scriptures to suit their pre-conceived doctrines. It is obvious that the New Testament clearly teaches that when a person dies, their spirit goes on and this applies to all Christians, not just a 'select few'. Now whether this actually happens or not is another story, but I've always found it bizarre and incredible how they can ignore scriptures like:

"fear not those that kill the body, but cannot kill the soul" ---Matthew 10:28

For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you." (Phillipians 1:23-24)

We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8)

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. (Luke 16:19-28)

But he [Stephen], being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God........ And they stoned Stephen, who called upon God saying, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." (Acts 7:54-59)

None of these scriptures fit with the Society's view that 99.9% of Christians just go to sleep when they die, but since when did they ever care about what the bible says?