Martin said: I suspect our new resident Ethos is a Topix poster known as Dream-weaver. (See: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/T331TUN3GEA9CQJJP/post1
Oh Christ........is that nutter still around?
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37Transfusion and Eating no difference?
by Marvin Shilmer intransfusion and eating no difference?.
today i added a new article to my blog addressing what watchtower says in public view about transfusion versus eating compared to what it admits in private about transfusion and eating.
its short and sweet, and of course documented.
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Transfusion and Eating no difference?
by Marvin Shilmer intransfusion and eating no difference?.
today i added a new article to my blog addressing what watchtower says in public view about transfusion versus eating compared to what it admits in private about transfusion and eating.
its short and sweet, and of course documented.
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Ethnos said: Tranfusion is obviously not the same thing as literally ingesting blood orally. That was never an equivocation made by the WTS (to my knowledge).
Are you kidding? That is exactly what they assert:
"Each time the prohibition of blood is mentioned in the Scriptures it is in connection with taking it as food, and so it is as a nutrient that we are concerned with in its being forbidden."-----September 15, 1958 WT p. 575
The equivocation is in the fact that tranfusing blood NOURISHES the body, just as EATING does.
No, it does not. There is no nutritional benefit from a blood transfusion. If there was, you could use blood transfusions to treat malnutrition. You can't. When you eat something, it is taken into the stomach where it is digested and broken down into nutrients, which are then passed through the intestines into the blood vessels, where the blood carries them to the body for nourishment. This is accomplished by the digestive system. During a transfusion, the blood that is transfused travels through the blood stream, then goes to the intestines where it picks up the digested food passed through the intestines
and carrying that food throughout the rest of the body. This is the circulatory system. The transfused blood is not food itself but the carrier of food. The food is broken down into its component parts whereas the blood remains whole. This is the medical definition proving that eating blood (such as blood pudding or blood sausage) through the mouth is a completely different procedure than a blood transfusion. -
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The trampling of Jerusalem didn't begin until AFTER Jesus died (easy way to prove WT waaaay off on everything)
by EndofMysteries inhopefully this doesn't do more bad then good, but it's funny they are going on the destruction of jerusalem in 587/607 time, and appear to have not ever read what jesus said.
luke 21:20-24 - furthermore, when you see jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.
21 then let those in ju?de'a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her; 22 because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled.
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I brought this to an elders' attention years ago and basically, this is how the GB likes to interpret Luke 21:20-24
“Furthermore, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near." -
happened in 66 C.E. when the Romans first attacked."Then let those in Jude'a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her".
There is very little evidence that these early Christians (or Messianic Jews as they were then known) actually 'fled to the mountains', although there is some debate as to whether some of them might have fled to Pella. Earliest written account for this though, is not until the 4th century CE. But for the sake of argument here, let's assume that they did flee to the mountains. This would have been done presumably when the Romans first retreated around 67 CE."...Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people.."---Again, this would have been referring to the time that Jesus' followers were supposed to 'flee to the mountains', after the Romans retreated around 67 CE.
"....and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations..."
After the Romans returned and devastated Jerusalem 68CE - 70 CE"...and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled..."
This of course is the part that they change. Without any justification whatsoever, the Organization insists that this "trampling" began not in 70 CE (which would be the logical flow of what we've already discussed), but in 607 BCE. This change was done for no other reason than them trying to shore up their bizarre theory that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. Just add 2520 years to 607 BCE and you come up with the year 1913. Tweek it by saying there is no "year zero" and viola, you've got 'biblical proof' that 1914 is the be-all and end-all of life as we know it.If you bring it to their attention and ask how they can possibly interpret the first part of verse 24 as applying to 70CE and the latter part of the same verse to a date hundreds of years earlier, you'll just get a glazed look and no logical answer. Which really is no surprise.
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Memorial partakers this year?
by punkofnice inwill there be over 12k 'partakers'(tm) this year?.
won't the wbt$ publish the amount of 'partakers'(tm) of the vinegar and crackers this year given that they stated this in qfr watchtower 15th august 2011 page 22 ????
(wow!
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So did they ever publish how many partook this year?
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It is OFFICIAL they want MORE MONEY : NEW ANNOUNCEMENT!!!
by raymond frantz ini just came back from the meeting .although the local announcements have been abolished recently as an item for the second part , an elder came on the platform to announce that the society needs more money and there is a letter on the noticeboard for all the congragation to read to this effect.
although the announcement was read half heartedly (this elder's daughter is an apostate ,it looks like he knows what's going on) the implictions are dramatic .
the society in brief,requests any brother or sister with funds sitting on personal accounts to loan them to the society ,he didn't go into any specifics but i will take a picture of the letter next time and make it available here .. i'm not amazed that they're asking for money ,i thought it will happen sooner or later .what i'm amazed is that 99% of the congragation are oblivious to the financial crisis that the society finds itself these days and the reasons why .i can see the future now .the watchtower will be the fist part of the babylon the great to go down in a blaze of scandals and financial troubles !.
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an elder came on the platform to announce that the Society needs more money
For what? Didn't they just sell Crooklyn Bethel for a ka-jillion dollars? They don't pay Bethelites for their wages (except for the $100/month pocket money) and they sure as hell don't give any to charity........Maybe it's time they bring back food services at the ASSemblies. LOL.
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JW says yes to plasma and platelets, husband then says NO!
by snare&racket in27 yr old female patient with ruptured ectopic pregnancy, sees the light and says yes to plasma and platelets.... she is then sedated.
her husband then declares she cant have the plasma and platelets and doctors are forced to go to court.
the risk of her death or permenant damage increasing by the hour.. the doctors decreed she had full capacity and right to autonomy when she relinquished her previos stand on blood.
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Eileen Barrington SC, for the hospital, said the woman had told doctors that she was refusing a transfusion of whole blood or red blood cells but would accept platelets or plasma.
I think the real question is: Did she think platelets and plasma were "fractions"? She very easily could have. When my father had a bleeding ulcer several years ago, both he and my sister thought that plasma was one of the things they could take. I honestly think that we ex-Witnesses are far more familiar with what the Borg allows and what they don't allow, as opposed to what the average Witness is.
If she survives, she'll eventually find herself sitting in front of the 3-man kangaroo court to explain her actions. If she made a 'mistake' thinking plasma was allowed, she'll be given a severe tongue-lashing for not being 100% familiar with their ever-changing doctrine on blood, but will not be DF'd. If she caved and chose the plasma knowing it was not on the list of 'approved' fractions, at the very least they'll probably publically reprove her. She could also easily be given The Axe since it was widely reported in the papers, but that could come back to bite them in the ass with all the negative publicity that would generate.
Either way, her husband sounds like an asshole of the first order.....
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Oregon Jehovah's Witness Rapes and Murders Jehovah's Witness neighbor. The congregation a spiritual paradise..where lambs and lions are at peace?
by Balaamsass inthe northern california circuit overseers been making announcements at circuit assemblies for sisters to be extra careful when shopping and out and about..."remember we are surrounded by satan's system.
" this has been been in reference to a young sister who went missing in the portland or area.
well now the whole story is comming out...she wasn't a victim of "the outsiders"...it was her "spiritual brother" who raped and murdered her.
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That is just horrifying and I feel awful for those that are now left behind to pick up the pieces. This pig, Jonathan Holt who attended the Kingdom Hall and passed himself off as a good little Dub, was in possession of child porn (who knows whether he's guilty of pedophilia or not) AND---he had a gun. What's a Witness doing with a gun?
I hope he fries.....bastard!
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Please read
by JeffT inmy father passed around 9 this morning.
he'd been in poor health for some time, but it still comes as a shock to have him gone.
we are going to miss him terribly.
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I'm so sorry for your loss Jeff and I will never forget your kindness to me when my B-I-L was dying of leukemia. I still have your emails to me telling me about the wonderful work your father spear-headed that has helped save thousands of lives, and that is something that you and your family will take pride in for generations to come.
Hugs to you and your family.
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SAD news about OOMPA......
by redredrose inour friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
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Oh god. This is just so sad. Oompa used to make me laugh, but I knew he struggled with his own demons, most notably The Watchtower who helped destroy him.
I hope that if there is a life after this one, that Oompa will find the peace there that he was not able to find in this life.
Rest in peace friend.
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September 11, 2001- Where were you?
by SophieG ini work at a major airline in the in-flight training department.
i was sitting at the desk on the computer, i kid you not... writing the security (hijacking) curriculum for 2002, when someone came in and told me a plane flew into the wtc.
we all thought it was one of our planes.
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I was sitting in my office when a co-worker came in and said "A plane just hit the World Trade Center in New York!" I thought it had been a small 2-seater plane that maybe had gotten lost in a fog and it crashed into the building. I said "That's awful!" and went back to work. About 20 minutes later she came back in and said "Another plane just hit the other tower!"
We knew then that something was really wrong so we grabbed the keys to the Council Room (looks like a mini-UN room with 6 gigantic screens). We turned the huge screens on and watched in horror. I couldn't believe my eyes when the first tower fell. It reminded me of watching Independence Day for the first time.
Still a day that will live in infamy.......
