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  "Waiting on Jehovah"

  by jst2laws in

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  my friends,.

  i just finished a holiday week-end with old friends in the organization.

  all they knew when they came was that i had recently resigned as a elder.

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  Thanks Jurs and Grunt.
  While we know the ultimate outcome, it is hard to anticipate where the worst bumps in the road will be. The bottom line is we are free as Paul said in Galations 5:1 but those who want to keep us under a yoke will keep pressing. I'm still a Christian who expects a beating (luke 12:45-48)from the "steward" but we will survive.

  Chester, Thanks for the best wishes. We will have to see if these friends will put love ahead of loyalty to men. I appreciate your remembering my last update you noted. I'm sure their are hundreds like my family on this journey. Good wishes to you too.

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  I Said Goodbye

  by Farkel in

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  my father was rushed by ambulance from his rest home to st. marks hospital in salt lake city, utah friday, but i only just heard about it.

  i received a call from the floor nurse and she told me he is not expected to live.

  his lungs are filled fill up with fluid and are continuing to fill u with more fluid: he has pneumonia.

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  Farkel,
  You made me cry again. What can I do for you? Call if you want. I know there is some meaning to all this pain, but for now we will just cry together.
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  "Waiting on Jehovah"

  by jst2laws in

  1. jw
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  my friends,.

  i just finished a holiday week-end with old friends in the organization.

  all they knew when they came was that i had recently resigned as a elder.

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  My friends,

  I just finished a holiday week-end with old friends in the organization. All they knew when they came was that I had recently resigned as a elder. When they left a few hours ago they knew much more. Both family heads are appointed elders, whom I assisted to enter this organization in the first place. I was VERY forward with them. Several times the remark was make, “you sound like an apostate”. I believe they both love me as much or more than the organization. But I have been wrong before, or I would not find myself in this predicament to begin with. One views me as a spiritual father, the other as his brother and mentor. But likely one will be compelled to be more “loyal” to the organization than to me.

  My wife was supportive and participated in the discussions as well. We both know this could be the end for us, but feel it must come eventually, for our sakes the sooner the better. We are only hanging around to share the truth with as many as we can. I feel my children will come with us when we are exposed, but regret my aged parents will be hurt and other relatives will cut us off. The good news is that some friends have already been reached with enough truth to ‘set them free’.

  To you who walk this tightrope with us I commend you for your perseverance. For those who quit this game ages ago, you have my respect. To those lurking, wondering why things seem so wrong but ‘where else are we to go’ I want to extend my sympathy and support. I have always believed we must “wait on Jehovah”. Yet HE is waiting on YOU! Search all you can in the Wtlib and index and you find God’s people never “waited” on Jehovah to do the right thing. Instead God waited on his people to do the right thing.

  Jehovah’s Witnesses reading this message: Quite waiting on God before He quits waiting on you.
  E-mail me if you wish.

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  The Practice rerun tonight

  by Mulan in

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  for those who missed the episode of the practice, where one of the main characters refuses blood because she is a jw, it is gong to be rerun tonight.

  it airs on abc, usually at 10. check your schedule.

  this one was a good one.....her mother insists she is a jw, and won't allow her to have blood.

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  Hi tattoogrl333,
  quote:
  "X files where the two JW beat each other up while they are going door to door".
  I have got to see that one. PLEASE, if anyone if anyone hears of it coming on again, post it, e-mail me in case I'm not paying attention.

  Mulan, Thanks for the tip on tonights program.
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  Bye For Now!

  by hillary_step in

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  goodbye folks,.

  i have no parting sigh to give, so take my parting smile, - landon.

  my little sabbatical is over and i plough back into the real world next week.

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  HS,
  You came and went too fast. Hang around at least in the back round as I do. I really appreciated your well expressed views. The board will miss your moderating influence.
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  Matthew 25

  by Farkel in

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  when did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you?

  he was talking about food, clothing, shelter and supplication to the least of the brothers.

  he could not be talking about anything else and here is why: could any human offer jesus spiritual food?

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  Welcome back Farkel,
  Being one who respects reasoning with the scriptures I liked most "could any human offer Jesus “spiritual food?” How could a human do that to the Son of God?"
  But the overall concept was well applied from "To you dubs who are lurking" to "What you sow, you shall also reap, mighty Watchtower Pharisees."

  Your rest has been good for you.
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  To all snipers and bombers

  by Norm in

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  the approach of ex-jehovah's witnesses towards those still witnesses has been debated since the problem first occurred.

  personally i joined the ranks of ex-witnesses in 1988 and found myself more or less thrown into the fray appearing in media like newspapers, radio and tv.

  one of the first things i noticed was the interest bestowed upon me from competing churches, particularly from the pentecostalism camp.

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  HS,

  Qoute:
  "I hold no malevolance toward anyindividual JW, even those that have treated me scurriously and with evil intent. I may not like many of personally, but that is not the issue here. I cannot say at what stage they are acting from their own motives or from programmed ones and as such will not judge them."

  Excellent.

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  To all snipers and bombers

  by Norm in

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  the approach of ex-jehovah's witnesses towards those still witnesses has been debated since the problem first occurred.

  personally i joined the ranks of ex-witnesses in 1988 and found myself more or less thrown into the fray appearing in media like newspapers, radio and tv.

  one of the first things i noticed was the interest bestowed upon me from competing churches, particularly from the pentecostalism camp.

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  Good morning Norm,
  quote: "Well, as far as I remember many Jehovah's Witnesses was really eagerly looking forward to the slaughter of all those pesky people who shut the doors in their faces. Many a Jehovah's Witness I knew waxed very eloquent on that subject. They didn’t spare much patience for their religious opponents when it came to ridiculing their religious beliefs. So I don’t think they are such frail flowers as you make them out to be."
  
  You are right. They do this with smug arrogance. They really believe it. But this does not demonstrate that as individuals they are not fragile. They are like the little dog that barks when the master is near but runs with their tail tucked under when on their own. Their power and confidence is only as a part of this worldwide machine that has God's backing.

  It is my opinion that even for the witness who has doubts when he engages in a discussion with someone who is attacking his organization he will feel a measure of insecurity. Even while defending the organization he is not defending wrongdoing but hanging onto his source of security.

  quote: "This organization has managed to con millions of extremely ignorant people into believing that they are well informed and knowledgeable just because they read the Watchtower and Awake! It is quite a feat to make people to be actually proud of their ignorance even to the point that they flaunt it like profound knowledge. It takes a saint-like person to be calm and kind when you have such people showing up and arrogantly flaunt such stupidity."

  Good. So we are dealing with "con"ed, "ignorant" people. At least once indoctrinated some have acted like 'ignorant' people. Yet we are hoping to reach a few brave, honest, thinking individuals in this world pond. Its the scum at the top of the pond that keeps the light from shining through. Is that not what we should "target"? The research you and a few other pillars on the board have offered us is priceless and often should be presented with less than "saint-like" calmness, if directed at the deserving scum at the top.

  But I, having recently broken the leash, can clearly remember what it was like to step into this street with the big dogs knowing my master would kick me for leaving the yard. We should remember how scary that can be even if we seem to be dealing with a pesky barking dog. As HS said, 'is this a victim or a victimizer'?

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  Blanket Bomb Or Snipe?

  by hillary_step in

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  i wish to open a thread on a bit of a controversial issue so belt-on the self control!

  my question?

  why do some of us attack jws as people and who are our real targets?.

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  Larc, sorry I failed to remember you started the thought on "stages".
  As to dreams, mine were similar but as an "untrained volunteer". You have much to offer and I appreciate what you are doing.

  Hillary, I was often offended when I first came here. Now some of them, even the 'junkyard dog' has become a friend. I can take it now, but I could not at the early stages. I feel it is good to focus on the 'target' and often insert a comment that consoles the victims, even if our audience doesn't know the difference.

  Wokeup, glad to meet you. I recently woke up myself with the help of these good guys and Ray Franz.

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  To all snipers and bombers

  by Norm in

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  the approach of ex-jehovah's witnesses towards those still witnesses has been debated since the problem first occurred.

  personally i joined the ranks of ex-witnesses in 1988 and found myself more or less thrown into the fray appearing in media like newspapers, radio and tv.

  one of the first things i noticed was the interest bestowed upon me from competing churches, particularly from the pentecostalism camp.

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  Hi Norm,
  I greatly respect the selfless contibution you have made to my growth. But I have to admit I feared you, Farkel, Kent and JanH.
  The average Jw, as far as I know in this part of the world, is a meek follower. They are not accustomed to "blunt" reality. That is their shortcoming, but our problem with which to deal. As members of an organization that claims to represent God they roll play as fearless defenders of truth, but are still accustomed to polite, "packaged" presentations.

  If our objective is to destroy, than damn the politeness and let the words fly. But if our objective is to rescue, we defeat ourselves when we chase them away with blunt reality.

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