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How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin in

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how does the governing body extend its control over the many organizations that they made back in the year 2000 ?.

i think they have some type of by-laws in these corparations where they are to be in subjection to the wishes of the gb.. also thier may be some stipulations that the controlling members of each seperate corperation must be in good standing and can not function in any capacity if they are disfellowshipped.

thus the gb can alway use thier unlimited power to df to bring members in line or remove them if the gb feel threated.. i would think that the by-laws of these seperate entities are somewhat similar to the by-laws that form the congregation corperations in order for the congregation to be a legal corperation that can own property, where the by-laws state that they must remain in subjection to the gb.

JT

JT,

I have a couple of questions to ask you about your last post but first let me ask you an unrelated question. I had a room mate at bethel(1974 - 76) called John Parham, he was climbing up the organizational ladder, he was from San Antonio TX. Was he still at bethel durring your tour of duty? Do you know him?

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was he in brooklyn or the farm, i knew 2 Parham guys a white dude up at the farm and a black guy from philly

Now to your post:

you are missing the point my friend by the time you reach that level in the org, you know it is bogus,

so my point is you keep refering to these "Disgruntle ones, angry ones, folks upset etc...well at that level of the org, they already know that you don'[t have to go in service , to the meeting regualy,or read all of the mags each month- they have a different set of rules for those at the top

How can you be so sure?

i used to see it all the time, the diffenrent rules, did you read my bio-=- when i worked up in the Sky boxes at the district convention a s part of the convention office - they live in a whole different world, while the avg jw is out in the sun trying to pay attention to boring talks the "Heavies" up in the sky boxes are laughing and telling exp of of how someone bought them a expensive suit or paid for a cruise to the island- while other jw are told to sit in the sun and don't get up, we used to eat and drink the entire program-

I have no intention of getting into a pissing match with you, if you had caught me about 7yrs ago when i came on the net and i would try to relate what i knew i used to get upset when folks like you were like_

that can't be true - how do we know that you know these things, you could be pullling our legs, well

i have been at this religion too long, if a persons wants to know what goes on behind the curtain i will tell them what i know,

if the info i not to ones liking or one doesn't want to believe it, that is fine with me- i have learned over the years of being on the net, provide the info to folks and what they do with it or believe or not believe is up to them-

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"Are you meaning to tell me that your contact who has some kind of position at bethel knows it's not the truth but he hypocritically goes along with it just for the perks of having some type of position in the organization?"

* yes that is my point

"I f that is true it is pretty pathetic,"

I agree i would ask him how could he live with knowing that when he steps on a stage of 50,000 folks he is blowing smoke in folks eyes-

i have been told many times, "hey look it keeps the friends out of trouble by keeping them busy selling books every weekend instead of being able to enjoy life to some degree-

"take it he is not very old yet and can do better for himself if he left "full time service" and started thinking about his future, before it is too late, then hanging out with the big boys at bethel for whatever perks."

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you tell my my dear friend - where could a black man go at 47yrs of age, no college, no skills and get to live the life that the heavies live at bethel- for FREE-

"t just don't add up."

of coiurse it does it is call selling your soul, why do you think ray franz book is called "Crisis of Conscience"

when you come to learn certain things about the org, you face a personal crisis and you must decide what do i do, do i take a stand even if it means the loss of personal gain, family and so called friends or do i keep my mouth shut- sad to say many choice to keep their mouth shuts especially if they percieve they have alot to lose, such as a with -50 yr of betjhel service

How do you know for sure your friend really doesn't beleive it is the truth did he come out and tell you or are you just assuming he doesn't beleive it anymore

$$$$$$$ he told me sitting in my living room, that he knows alot of the stuff we teach is not supported by the bible but we NEED RULES to keep the friends in line

i hate to burst y our bubble my friend but there are folks at bethel who know this whole program is bogus, i sorry if that simple truth hurst,

i recall when the wt changed the generation dogma, i had mentioned it to former bethelite who is a co in Detriot now- that ray franz had said that in th elate 70's they knew the dogma had no legs but kept on teaching it, and he was like , yea i had heard that ray said it would end up being changed, he was like "BIG DEAL" if we need to change our dogmas to fit what we are teaching

i could not beleive it, i was like man we have being tellin folks for years that this was a promise from Jehovah himself and to blow it off with the stroke of a pen as being old and outdated

so yes there are folks at bethel who sincerly believe with all thier hearts and by the same token there are folks in major power postions who know that the org is hoodwinking and bamboozling the rank and file

sorry i had to be the to tell you that- :(

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Apportioning blame in the WTS organisation

by greendawn in

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the wts is guilty of causing a great deal of suffering to millions of r & f dubs over a period of time at least from rutherford's days.

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if you had to apportion liabilities and punishment for this tremendous amount of evil how would you do it among their hierarchy ranks from gb to cos to elders?

JT

I feel and think exactly the same way. There simply is no excuse for their ignorance to the truth about the WTS. Not as long as the internet is alive and well.

sKally

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while i fully understand your view, i think that if you were to do a little research on Conditioning and how High Control groups work, you would find it very interesting in terms of how folks can be influenced to do some pretty wild stuff-

let me ask you- when you were just baptized , lets say 1 month, and you or your loved one needed blood, looking back do you think you would have taken it with the elders, CO and HLC standing there?

would you have considered it to be a test of your loyalty to god? or would you have considered it to merely be a personaly family matter that the elders, co and HLC had no business to involve themselves in-

how do you think during that time when you were buring with fire and zeal you would have responded-

before you answer think about it for a moment and let me know and then i will tell you why i asked the question in this fashion or manner

thanks

james

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How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin in

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how does the governing body extend its control over the many organizations that they made back in the year 2000 ?.

i think they have some type of by-laws in these corparations where they are to be in subjection to the wishes of the gb.. also thier may be some stipulations that the controlling members of each seperate corperation must be in good standing and can not function in any capacity if they are disfellowshipped.

thus the gb can alway use thier unlimited power to df to bring members in line or remove them if the gb feel threated.. i would think that the by-laws of these seperate entities are somewhat similar to the by-laws that form the congregation corperations in order for the congregation to be a legal corperation that can own property, where the by-laws state that they must remain in subjection to the gb.

JT

I would even think many of these so-called "company men" that are corporation member are playing the hand they have been dealt,, with a long pent up anger plotting and just waiting for the exact right time to strike. I imagine many in the legal department are of this type,(how could anybody in legal not know it is a sham is beyond me).

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you are missing the point my friend by the time you reach that level in the org, you know it is bogus,

you need to go out this weekend and rent the movie 1984- there is one scene in the movie that says it all

some of you may recall this one scene, when i saw it i was like -- that is the org, that is the org

in the movie everyone is required to listen to Propaganda day and night by means of everyones house has a PA speaker that just blast speeches all day and night and they are forbidden under punishment of imprsionment if they turn off the speaker blasting

well in one scene, there is this guy who is being considered to be "MOVED UP the corp ladder and he enters the office of a high ranking person and the guy walks over and turns OFF THE Speaker

and they guy is like - you are not suppose to do that we canget into trouble and the dude just waves his hand as it were and says "WE" up here don't have to listen to that stuff, it is just for the pions baically

so my point is you keep refering to these "Disgruntle ones, angry ones, folks upset etc"

well at that level of the org, they already know that you don'[t have to go in service , to the meeting regualy,or read all of the mags each month- they have a different set of rules for those at the top

cae inpoint, if my roomate wants to miss meeting - he just says I"m staying at bethel tonight to work on some society business"

who is going to question him???????????

so i hate to burst your bubble, all this anger and disgruntle stuff you mention, well my friend for those men at that level they are happy as can be, now if there are anyone disgruntle, it is the guys who got OVERLOOKED and got what we usd to call at bethe THE SHAFT- PROBLEM IS none of those guys are in key decision making roles, that is why they are pissed

so for those kind of guys you are right all they cando is grin and bear it, but since the are not power brokers and owe bethel for the very bed they sleep on they must sell their souls

and i will agree with you on that, many bethelites know, but due to not having anywhere to go, they just stay

in fact i finally understood why when i was growing up all the former bethelites left the "truth" when they came back home, now i know why,

they saw so much "Sh#t" when they were at bethel, the racism, back bitting, the power moves, asskissing ,brownosing,etc that when theyreturn backhomeand the reg jw are like

didn't you feel closeer to jehovah by being at bethel they are like what the Fu%K are you talking about, is their mindset many times- due in part to seeing that bethel is not like one is lead to beleve before going

in fact they teach you at behel not to tell folks back home of the bad things you see, it could be discouraging

so when you go home and 50 friends are around you thinking that each day the GB emittes some holy spirit off onto and you know the real deal that sometimes they will not even speak to you on the elevatore and you can;t tell the friends back home, you quickly see the lie that is told and the image that is create

the same as an image is created about the congo being so loving and kind, the same can be said about bethel, it paints a picture of deep spiritual enviroment-

yet i saw more KEGS of beer at bethel than i had ever seen back in NC, in fact most eldrs would never drink in front of pub when i was growing up and to go to bethel and see "Spritual Men" knock down more beer than "Cayotoe /carzy"

smile

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How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin in

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how does the governing body extend its control over the many organizations that they made back in the year 2000 ?.

i think they have some type of by-laws in these corparations where they are to be in subjection to the wishes of the gb.. also thier may be some stipulations that the controlling members of each seperate corperation must be in good standing and can not function in any capacity if they are disfellowshipped.

thus the gb can alway use thier unlimited power to df to bring members in line or remove them if the gb feel threated.. i would think that the by-laws of these seperate entities are somewhat similar to the by-laws that form the congregation corperations in order for the congregation to be a legal corperation that can own property, where the by-laws state that they must remain in subjection to the gb.

JT

I sincerly hope that you dont take this the wrong way and it is not meant to be a dog, but your post while very sincere and hopeful of a major wt down fall are in my veiw is a pipe dream.

your post only highlights how little the avg jw and many times former jw understands about how this org is run and that is very unfortunate , while i too would love to see wt fall to its needs, it will not and the reason is very simple, wt sells a product that people need and that product is hope-

one of the first things i did when leaving wt my wife and i took a colleg psych class, we wanted to understand how could a person look at tons of facts, documentation, proof, evidence about and matter and say

"yea that might be true and the wt might be wrong, but i'm sticking with the wt right or wrong"

how does a person develope that level of closed mindedness

well i came to learn that it is possible thru Conditioning - one of the first things most former jw encounter is the resistance to EVEN want to know about the under belly of the org, many folks on this site will tell you they have family and friends who just refuse to even discuss anything negative about the org, and that is the result of just attending a few meetings a week

can you imagine the level of conditioning that 45yrs of bethel does to a person mindset

when most of those men went to bethel in the 50' and 60's life was like Ozzia and Harriet moms stayed home and cooked and day was the provider- they are still livng in those times- they have not paid a light bill or house note in 45yrs, man can you just imagine if you have never had to take care of all the business you handle in your household , yet instead just concentrate on how to be a better Society man

just a few comments on your post

I think the possiblity of a major upset at Bethel is very real and very near. I don't think the Governing Body is aware of just how much is being done behind thier backs.

####### can you name "ONE" thing that the key men in the org are doing behind the backs, you see i'm not talking about rank and file jw from Tenn or SC, i'm talking about Decision makers in the org, i'm not even talking about CO or DO or even Branchcommittee members for they are NOT decsion makers

can you name one thing that these key men are doing that is as you say- very real and very near'???

yu continue:

"Think of it, because of all the exposure on the net of the falsehoods that the Governing Body is responsible for,,(this is the information hyway) (99% percent of web sites about JWs is negative). Just type in the word jehovah, or "Jehovahs witnesses" or something similar and most of the first page is all negative and every page after that the same."

## you are 110% correct there is tons of info on the org, as i say just a mouse click away and jw could have freedom,

you continue

"Why would the GB not expect most in bethel have done this and will continue to do this, it will only get worse."

now this is where you are wrong in my veiw, while you are correct that "MOST would do it, the Fear prevents it from happening

at bethel they can check your room EVEry single day and there is nothing you can do about it, they can go into your closet, etc, that is how they find porno, and debased music

and most importantly, theyt monitor the sites that those on the bethel network surf, as ray franz pointed out, they even monitor phones calls and record them

such an atmosphere is not going to lead alot of bethelites to surf on aposatates site inmy view

i hope that i dont' come over sounding like i am doggin you but after doing this for 8yrs on the net and seeing folks come to the net and literally have no idea about how the org works,even with my Limited knowledge it is amazing the things the org does

i could not beleive the signed up with the UN for example how stupid , but yet look how many jw don't know anything about it,

look at how many do know about it and now look at how few actually left

many times former jw try to paint the picture that there is a mass exodus out of the org DUE to the NET

i have to disagree, take a congo of 130 pub how many congo have you hear of that 40 pubs left due to the net, for it that was the case all the persons from that one congo wold be on the net telling how we all got the hell out

yes many are leaving due to the net, but in my exp most jw stop due to merely burning out, feeling beaten for some during this period of time they rexamine things and find us, but for many they never take the time to find out why they felt so beaten

and as soon as some major tragic stikes their life they are back to the hall being good little jw

i think that the net STOPs more folks from becoming jw than getting jw to leave

since nonjw are open minded ,willing toread both sides, your avg jw shuts down faster than an ATM bank teller on the 3rd wrong pin number attempt- smile

consider even if the wt lost 75% of its members it would still have 1.5 million followers - far enought to take care of the gb and their key men- they could sell off 90% of the branches, 90% of the assembly halls, 90% of the kingdom halls, cut back on CO DO bethel staff and missionaries and JR Brown and he rest of the gang would collect billions in real estate and property sales , providing them with the means to stay at the NY bethel and never have to get a real job like you and i

justmy 2

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How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin in

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how does the governing body extend its control over the many organizations that they made back in the year 2000 ?.

i think they have some type of by-laws in these corparations where they are to be in subjection to the wishes of the gb.. also thier may be some stipulations that the controlling members of each seperate corperation must be in good standing and can not function in any capacity if they are disfellowshipped.

thus the gb can alway use thier unlimited power to df to bring members in line or remove them if the gb feel threated.. i would think that the by-laws of these seperate entities are somewhat similar to the by-laws that form the congregation corperations in order for the congregation to be a legal corperation that can own property, where the by-laws state that they must remain in subjection to the gb.

JT

Some how I see these "disgruntled ones"(smile) finding one another to eventually wrestle power away from the GB

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i appreciate your thoughts, but i have to disagree for i think that very very few of the key players listed who are on the corp level would be considered "Disgruntled ones"

if anything they are happy as a can be, to be given such power-

that is why i told you before, just ask anyone on ANY jw website if they know the men i listed and how would you describe such men- i'm telling you wt runs thru their views, we are talking about guys who entered bethel at 19yrs old, they are now 60--80yrs old that is over 40-60yrs of bethel and constantly moving up the ladder and after awhile one realizes that promotion are based not on the will of god, but the good graces of the gb-

once again i ask you to stop and think about what we are talking about- to these men demostrating loyalty is more important than some power move-

besides in order to accomplish what you are talking about is very unlikely - not impossible but highly unlikely

let me explain to you how it works, when the wt created the new corps on , they announced at the annual meeting who the officers were and the board of directors were of each corp,

WHO DO YOU THINK HAND PICKED BOTH THE OFFICERS AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS???

IN ORDER to accomplish what you are talking bout would require a tremendous amount of collusion- and consider, none of them can access the money, of the org- so which would appeal to them more\

you got the president of one of the corp who tries to convince a VP to join him in trying to take over, now they need the agreement of all the officers and the board-

now as aVP which would be easier and more rewarding- one try to stage a coup or walk down the hall and tell the GB that frank is trying to over take the Kiingdom Farm corp?

and then next week Frank is back in NC with no job, and dfed no friends or help and you are promoted to President of Kingdom farm due to your loyalty for jah and his earthly org and next week you and your wife are sent to Japan, Korea and Hawaii to chk up on the branches for 4 weeks and to give 4 talks and lots and lots of Green handshakes

now you tell me which is more likely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin in

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how does the governing body extend its control over the many organizations that they made back in the year 2000 ?.

i think they have some type of by-laws in these corparations where they are to be in subjection to the wishes of the gb.. also thier may be some stipulations that the controlling members of each seperate corperation must be in good standing and can not function in any capacity if they are disfellowshipped.

thus the gb can alway use thier unlimited power to df to bring members in line or remove them if the gb feel threated.. i would think that the by-laws of these seperate entities are somewhat similar to the by-laws that form the congregation corperations in order for the congregation to be a legal corperation that can own property, where the by-laws state that they must remain in subjection to the gb.

JT

I'm sure a lot of higher ups have been deprogramed because of the net.

While I understand your desire to hope this is happening I have to disagree

at bethel the IT dept monitors what sites bethelites visit, so for those at bethel the net is having very little impact in my view, out of 6000 , you may get 5 or 6 who leave and return to the real cold world to make aliving

I hardly see any bethel heavy putting his job and life on the line, they all recall what happened to ray franz-

consider—if a member of the GB and Nephew of freddy franz (ray franz) was not spared when he showed signs of questioning the org,

how in the world will a NON gb be treated if it is found out that he questions the org,

first off he will lose his position and asked to leave bethel, can you tell me where a man with a wife who are both in their late 60’ 70’s is going to go and start a new career

it is better as I was told to Keep your mouth shut and work with the program instead of making a lot of noise

I think a coup may be in the works.

## one again I have to disagree, in fact today a coup is harder than every before, when the org was a one man show like in rutherfords day it was easy, today it is ran by committee and everyone knows a camel is a race horse designed by a committee- smile

I bet very few people close to the GB really look up to them anymore,

This maybe very true, but I don’t think it is the view held by those who are their right hand men that I listed, if anything those key men feel even more indebted to them

I will tell you this my roommate related how a number of “anointed” guys at bethel jaws were locked when the gb decided to install nonannointed guys many of them the same age as these “anointed guys”

The view was “why are we not being Groomed to take over as the older anointed die off”

The reason is simple the wt has very little trust of anyone under a certain age claiming to be annonted

My roommate and I discussed this at length when he came down about 2 yr ago-

Here you got guys of the annoined in their 50-60s and instead of them being trained to take over they give what they feel are their rightful jobs, since according to wt dogma “Currently” on anointed are used by Jah

But from what I understand that is going to change, the wt is currently working redefining who and what is the FDS- and for any half student of wt dogma changes, all the ground work has been laid for years to introduce this new Dogma to the rank and file

You state:

I'm sure many probably can't stand them but tollerate them because they have so much time invested in bethel.

Once again I agree, but I don’t think that is the case for those few guys who have been selected as key men of the gb,

Just my 2

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How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin in

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how does the governing body extend its control over the many organizations that they made back in the year 2000 ?.

i think they have some type of by-laws in these corparations where they are to be in subjection to the wishes of the gb.. also thier may be some stipulations that the controlling members of each seperate corperation must be in good standing and can not function in any capacity if they are disfellowshipped.

thus the gb can alway use thier unlimited power to df to bring members in line or remove them if the gb feel threated.. i would think that the by-laws of these seperate entities are somewhat similar to the by-laws that form the congregation corperations in order for the congregation to be a legal corperation that can own property, where the by-laws state that they must remain in subjection to the gb.

JT

It sounds like you were privy to a lot of insider info that you were privy to that the rest of us peons were not

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no peons man -in the org it matters not what title you hold short of being a GB- for we were all just cogs in the wheel

men with 45yrs of service as a branch overseer, make one mistake or piss off Theodore Jaraz and they are knocked down to a publisher- they all live in fear that any day they can lose their position it is all about fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was just forturnate enough to be in the right place to see and hear this stuff

as one gets higher in the org, such terms as loving the bro, concern about the sick, etc are used less and less, instead more "Corporate" terms are used and as i look back i can see why at one time each congregation was referred to as a "Company"

at the higher levels you will hear of a bro being refered to not as one having the christlike persnlity, but as a Solid Society Man or good company man

in many co meetings where an man was being recommended the question would be asked :

"Is he a good solid "Society Man"

and what that catch phrase entails and means is so important to understanding how this org works

without understanding that one is left scratching their head trying to figure out

whats up with jw

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What is G-JOBBING for Bethelites?????????

by JT in

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had enough asked :.

if you haven't already related to us the experiences at bethel that you told to your mom-in-law, (or even if you already have told us) could you tell us about what you told her.....and...what is "g-jobbing" (sorry for my naivity) .

i didn't want to take away from sl post about his mother but i thought a little insight into the world of the bethelites would be interesting this am.

JT

complete discussion on g jobbing

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How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin in

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how does the governing body extend its control over the many organizations that they made back in the year 2000 ?.

i think they have some type of by-laws in these corparations where they are to be in subjection to the wishes of the gb.. also thier may be some stipulations that the controlling members of each seperate corperation must be in good standing and can not function in any capacity if they are disfellowshipped.

thus the gb can alway use thier unlimited power to df to bring members in line or remove them if the gb feel threated.. i would think that the by-laws of these seperate entities are somewhat similar to the by-laws that form the congregation corperations in order for the congregation to be a legal corperation that can own property, where the by-laws state that they must remain in subjection to the gb.

JT

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/7081/1.ashx

the above is the link to the complete discssion on g-jobbing:

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What is G-JOBBING___

It is called Government work- it refers to GOV employees being lazy and just getting a check

well it has to do with bethelites being too lazy to go out and get a real job so we do side jobs to make money while at bethel

and you can make alot if you are in the right "Trade" electrician, plumber, tile setter, roofer, etc and it is all tax free

the Congo in NYC would pay you to work on their halls since most jw in NY are white collar and not tradesmen

we even did work for NONJW- using WT tools , supplies and Trucks and since it was always at COST it was cheap --can you imagine what it would cost to rent a FLATBED truck in NYC to hall Dry wall 2 blocks- smile

all you needed to do was to get the guys who worked in that dept to requisition it under their name- they didn't even need to be there , but they would get their cut- lot of Elders headed up these work teams

so we would use the buying power of the Society to get these supplies for halls and bro in there home many times

some guys were clearing $3,000 a month tax free- bethel has cracked down on it by requiring you to sign a VOW OF POVERTY which is a form from the IRS saying you will not do any side jobs-

also the waiters did lots of G-JOBBING if anyone has been to bethel for lunch they are always impressed with how over 6000, folks can be served in less than 20min- well this is were the waiters come in at

folk like to use the bethelites at thier weddings to serve their guest
and if you are talking references just watch the mothers and fathers who have daugthers getting married in a few weeks come up to you afterward and ask you to do thier kids wedding

so the money rolls in beside everyone figures who BETTER TO HELP THAN THE LOWLY BETHELITES

smile

the BREAKER was some guys did a job and the person filed for it on his taxes --of course the IRS wants to know who do we get our money from

well I'd be Damn-- if it ain't some guys who is suppose to be living off $90.00 a month smile

so the society got involved and shut down most of the best money making jobs-

from what I understand you can still do it but you have to go through a lot of hoops

so many guys were missing meetings on the weekend and wiped out on Monday that flags started going up- we had this old nurse Called Sophie ----all my god she would worry you to death if you called in sick on a MONDAY were you out late Sunday night- what time did you get in, etc

old bag man

we had a plumbing job that was bidded out by a Congo in Queens with UNION NYC plumbers that was for $32,000, $36,000 and there was another bid price

so the elders asked the bethelites could we do it- it was a complete job from the street to the inside of the hall to toilets and sinks and tile job

well we could not ask for a set price but only tell the elders WHATEVER YOU BROTHERS WANTED TO GIVE US

well they presented it to the Congo and they came back with $25,000 offer and it would be just 5 of us and they would supply all the manual labor through the local bros.

we are talking $5,000 a piece - no taxes -in a weekend baby with a few follow up days to clean up any leftovers

one of the guys was a MASTER PLUMBER SO HE always got the permits we needed from the city- due to the large amount we got cold feet so we talked with Ralph Walls about it and he told us we needed to consider how would it look with that sum of cash in 2days of work- where in fact it would have been no work at all since we would have merely been overseeing the local guys doing all the digging of the trenches SMILE HEY YOU GOT TO LOVE IT MAN

so we turned it down- DAMN I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT

there is one guy and some of the bethelites on the net know this guy he ran the ROOFING DEPT as the overseer and was (REMOVED FROM THAT JOB FOR THIS REASON) and since all the roofs in NYC on the halls are flat--they are always leaking due to water standing on them

well he would take SOME OF his crew and knock out a roof over a weekend and man he was clocking over 3K amonth, not bad considering you don't have any expenses

but the most famous G -JOBBER OF ALL TIME WAS a bro from out of Texas if I'm correct- any bethelites here will correct me if I'm wrong on the state he is from

any way his name was James (JIM) Spencer he was the photography overseer and he had access to the society's $Million dollar cameras and film and processing equipment and he used to shoot WEDDINGS ON THE WEEKEND- hey like I said YOU GOT TO LOVE IT

NOW CK THIS OUT I had a buddy who was in on the deal-- he worked at the Stanley theater- that is the most expensive assembly hall in the wt arsenal of assembly hall probably

you all know it --the million dollar chandelier- anyway one of my boys was assigned as a keeper when they used bethelites---- now they have a pioneer couple over there --old Ricketts and he is a LITTLE HUSTLER as well

anyway Jim would arrange to use the assembly hall to take couples pictures

and I tell you-- to have your wife coming down the GRAND STAIRCASE IN HER GOWN hey man we are talking GONE WITH THE WIND TYPE STUFF

well my boy could have folks over to the assembly hall after hours as long as they were his guests

man he didn't even know some of the couples

so Spencer would kick him a little "SOMETHING -SOMETHING" SMILE

anyway old Spencer got caught not reimbursing the Society for the equipment and since he was the Overseer of the dept no one really questioned what he was working on late at night

hey it was not your latest mag cover shot- smile

so the "Shit hit the fan" and my man was BUSTED DOWN FROM PHOTO OVERSEER

to working the Bindery lines in the leather gold bible section

it was so embarrassing cause about a month after he got SHAFTED we had an Open tour of the factory were the office guys and the home guys could come over to the factory and see how the book and mags are made

and you guessed it ---my man James Spencer is right on the tour route and all the office guys are walking through laughing their a$$ off at him sitting there sweating with a tee shirt and blue jeans on.

his roommate was Robbie Vela from Hawaii the big island ---he worked upstairs in the bindery on the hardback line and he told us that Spencer would come home from work when he worked in photo dept and there would be TICKETS FOR him to fly to Japan or Rome or anywhere in the world just to take a couple of rolls of film and fly back

man we are talking about living the good life- he flew almost as much as the guys with UPI or AP wire guys

single man living the life and since he was the PO in his hall up in the Bronx he had the best of both worlds in the local hall and at the big house

from what I understand HE MADE A KILLING

well it is now bed time and no more bethel stories until later

smile

James

PS this is the last one it's too good to let pass

now i earned my money when i was at bethel others don't

as you all know by now the spokesman for the wt is a guy named JR Brown as a black man we use to call the the Society's Louis Farrakan

the most powerful speaker every to Grace a wt mike esp in the black community

well anyway he is ACES with larry Graham and larry is always hooking him up along with 1000's of his fans

anyway when he bought his new car alot of the Heavies and i don't mean to get racial,but some of the White boys were not happy

As they would say in the black Hood ""This Negro went out and bought a $45,000 car"

my man drives a top of the line fully loaded "Q45"
now go figure how you and i can do that off $90.00 a month

YOU TO TO LOVE IT

57

How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin in

jw
friends

how does the governing body extend its control over the many organizations that they made back in the year 2000 ?.

i think they have some type of by-laws in these corparations where they are to be in subjection to the wishes of the gb.. also thier may be some stipulations that the controlling members of each seperate corperation must be in good standing and can not function in any capacity if they are disfellowshipped.

thus the gb can alway use thier unlimited power to df to bring members in line or remove them if the gb feel threated.. i would think that the by-laws of these seperate entities are somewhat similar to the by-laws that form the congregation corperations in order for the congregation to be a legal corperation that can own property, where the by-laws state that they must remain in subjection to the gb.

JT

JT,

Thanks for the run down of things from your persective. I would like to ask this question for I feel it is important to our subject here:

How long ago did you leave bethel? ### it has been well over 10yrs

The reason I ask that is because things are always changing especially since the internet. ##### and you are so correct about the changes since i have left case in point, when i was at bethel sistes esp the black sister used to wear Jeans, well typically you often find that black women are somewhat more Hippy that say a white sister so as single guys we would be holding our tongues for some of the sisters Knew full well what they were doing to us single guys with those "PAINTED ON JEANS" so what did wt do after i left, my old roomated called me up to say that sisters wearing jeans was banned except for work purposes, none of that walking around on sat with Painted ON Jeans- one of the ways i stay updated is i still keep in touch with bethelites, and this is very interesting to say the least case in point, my old roommate is at patterson now and is a bethel heavy, started out in the bindery, works as a secreatary in service dept and now works the service desk - he is in charge of a part of the country, any corrosponces from do co elders pioneer, dfing , etc he handles based on the states you overseers- yet he will be the first to admint that the boys over in writing are blowing smoke in folks eyes he dogged me when i stepped down, OPPS it is calld stepping aside- smile anyway he told me point blank that he was not going to bite the hand that feeds him, and i shouldn't either so he flies all over the world, wears the best suits, eats lobster tail- as he told me once, he has not been to a Burger King in 15yrs, since he gets the "Green handshake" we used to call it at bethel- i will share with you how we used to make money on the side in a thread called G-Jobbing- so even though i have been out for years, still connected and it is amazing just how many of these guys really don't beleive it,- to avoid meetings they will just say "I'm working late for the Society" well who is going to question them- esp since he works in service CO and DO fear these guys, you piss off a service desk guy as a co or do and you could find yourself being shipped from Sunny Palms spring to North Dokota- and beleive me it does happens