Posts by JT

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My mom replies concerning UN/ JWs. Need your help.

by *jeremiah* in

in short, my mom's a die hard jw.

my brother was never baptised and, although he doesn't believe or go to the kh anymore, my mom still has a relationship with him.

thus he decided to email the following to our mom and her reply is below.. what i want to know is,...what would be an excellent reply for my brother to use in response to her comment?

JT

if your mom is a dye hard jw, i would suggest to leave it along

her wt training will only make whatever relationship that you have EVEN worst-

you need to learn when , where and how to pick your battles,

just my 2

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JW's and the internet

by *jeremiah* in

growing up as a jw in the 70's and 80's we didn't have the influence of the internet.

i, of course, believed i was in "the truth" and never heard anything (from the outside) that negative about our jw religion.

of course, now and again, we had some angry people at the door, but other than that i can't recall very many outside negative criticisms.

JT

and if you want to know about something (a religion) ...you need to go to the source...

$$$$$$$$$$yes Ford makes the best cars in the world, how do i know, i read it in the Ford Brochure in the sales room

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Stuck in a dead-end job because of obeying anti-higher education policy?

by nvrgnbk in

jw
friends

did you refrain from obtaining a degree or advanced studies when you had the chance because it wasn't the witness thing to do?

how has this affected your life?

comments, rants, and personal experiences please.

I didn't go to university because of the Organization's stance and I regret it. However, I've worked fairly hard in a technically challenging and interesting field and I'm in the top 2% of incomes in my country. I could retire comfortably now but I choose not to do so. It's a huge mistake to blame lack of success on the Organization. Life is what you make of it, throw away the crutch. ######### while this is very true, one also has to take into consideration that every jw doesn't live in the WEST where opportunities are there for many regardless of sex, age, education,etc i know of many jw in many their world countries who had scholoarship offers when they were 17, yes education offers from thier village, to go to England and study, now they are 55 living in a small town in Kenya, with 4 kids- so this persons opportunities are less than someon living here in Washington DC with lots of DOD contracts, and high tech companies sometime when i see post like this while they are very positive and unlifting sometimes they fail to take into account the various places around the world were jw kids were impacted by these crazy dogmas at the most one has the Freedom to at least think for themselves, even if they may not be able to pursue their dreams to the fullest extent but we do want to make sure we don't wind up using wt as a crutch, but at the same time keeping in mind that folks circumstances are so different and varied around the world due to this crazy religion but i do think you for the positive thought,just don't forget those who are in circumstances that make it a "little harder" just my 2

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Why do the local congregations always pay for the D.O. and C.O. visits?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jw
friends

every time a circuit and district overseer visited our congregation,the elders always wanted a show of hands from the congregation to see if we would pay for their car expenses and travel.sometimes the congregation would pay for airline tickets.it was always approved.. do you know if the idea came from the local congregations to pay?

did the wts send out letters to each congregation to see if they would pay?

we know that the wts always get what they want.. it's amazing how we paid $250-$400 for each overseer visit and the wts paid nothing..

JT

Actually it is Not the Resolution that the congo makes that lines the CO pockets for that typically is for gas, stamps, etc.

it's the PERKS, yes as we used to say at bethel---the Green Handshakes

case in point- there is one part left on the circuit assembly the "Days text"-- the CO is trying to decide who to give this little light weight part to

he has a brother who washes windows and pioneers, he has a bro who had just bought him 3 suits and 3 outfits for his wife

Question who do you think will be doing the daily Text??

this is what most jw know nothing about, i have buddies right now on the Road and their wives complain about how little they got from the evelopes before they left

the best congo to be assigned to is the Palms springs circuit- my old roomates works the service desk and they laugh at co who get the dog assigments

years ago bro Harley Miller, you can read his exp was in charge of assigmentments for CO and if you ticked him off you got sent to Siberia, North Dokota- smile

Fl and Southern CA were always the best-

there is a congo up in Carmel CA the city that clint eastwood was mayor

the congo is well off, the CO cleans up

some CO make between $40,-60,000 a year in hand shakes- while that is not $250,000- you do have to look at it in context

this is ALL FREE MONEY, UNTAXED TO SPEND-

IMAGINE if all your expenses were paid for, would you really need alot of cash, if you had NO BILLS!!!!!!!!!

problem is most co don't save anything beliveing that jah is provding when in fact it is their title

this shock typically doesn't sit in until they come off the road and they can't give out assembly partsanymore , they become a has been

most have notsaveed a dime from what i was told by a number of them.

unfortunately most of us relate to the CO in the WEST in the 3rd world countries the CO work is tough- since all expenses are laid on the local congo- in those countries the local hall has little cash and since bethel ain't helping out except for expenses, the branch will pay it

but they have very little cash in their pockets- unlike in the WEST

so it ain't all glory, it depends upon the country and the $$$ of the circiut assigned to

just my 2

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new watchtower mag arrangement

by shadowofbathory in

jw
friends

the latest from brooklyn ( my mate in upper management ) i thought id share.. .

the watchtower is remaining bi monthly.

instead of both monthly offerings sharing same formats there is a change coming into action soon.

JT

Don't expect the wt to shut down printing no time soon- keep in mind just a few years ago they made this purchase:

Press Releases

February 11, 2003 | Press release: MAN Roland:

Multinational, large-scale order from Watchtower Society for MAN Roland

The international religious organization Jehovah's Witnesses has recently ordered seven LITHOMAN presslines from MAN Roland Druckmaschinen AG, Offenbach/ Germany, to be installed in its printing plants in England, Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, Japan (one press each) and the USA (two presses). Delivery of the order running in the middle of tens of million Euros are expected to take place from July 2003.

Almost 80 years of cooperation between Watchtower and MAN Roland

With the biggest single order of this customer to date, MAN Roland continues the series of international successes in its cooperation with the Watchtower Society over a period of nearly eighty years by now: in 1927, Watchtower USA ordered the first letterpress machine from MAN Roland. A second press followed in 1929. By 1976, about 30 MAN Roland presses had been installed in the United States alone. This made Watchtower the biggest customer worldwide for MAN Roland at that time.

Watchtower production now standardized worldwide with LITHOMAN

Since 1984, Watchtower in Italy and the US has been working with a total of five 32-page LITHOMAN presslines. The positive experience with these machines has now led to the decision to use this press type worldwide. That means printing quality on the highest level worldwide. The new, single-web systems in 64-page configuration operate at speeds up to 45,000 cylinder revolutions per hour and with a web width of 1,480 millimetres. They are uniformly equipped with 2:5:5 folder.

Publications with multimillion circulations

In future, the new Watchtower LITHOMAN presses will be producing a large proportion of the high-circulation publications such as The Watchtower with a circulation of just under 25 million copies in 146 languages and Awake with a momentary circulation of 22 million copies in 86 languages. In addition, the machines are intended for use in the production of bibles or books of biblical exegesis, each in multimillion circulation.

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My Bethel Experience Part 10

by new boy in

jw
friends

there were guys at bethel, who had great jobs........like don brouex.....he was the receptionist at the 124 desk....checking in and "checking out" ......all the bethel tours and "hot" sisters......on there way through the "home tour"............that my friend, is not a real bethel job.. there were guys at bethel, that had great congergations with maybe only 2-4 bethelities in their halls.

one hall, midtown had over 80 bethelites there.............. 3 old ladies 4 kids and a dog.

odds of getting a home cook meal on sunday 0%.

JT

We had a different bethel world........maybe with a little money the bullshit tasted better.

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too funnny

yes i bow before you guys with great respect when i hear of the stories about life under KNorr

you guys went thru some stuff that was unreal for anyone to be called a christain orgnaization

they literally treated you all like dirt

from my understanding nothing started to change until AFTER Knorr got married and started allowing sisters in and so forth

but all the stories i have been told by both black bro and white bro from knorrs day he was a task master

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My Bethel Experience Part 10

by new boy in

jw
friends

there were guys at bethel, who had great jobs........like don brouex.....he was the receptionist at the 124 desk....checking in and "checking out" ......all the bethel tours and "hot" sisters......on there way through the "home tour"............that my friend, is not a real bethel job.. there were guys at bethel, that had great congergations with maybe only 2-4 bethelities in their halls.

one hall, midtown had over 80 bethelites there.............. 3 old ladies 4 kids and a dog.

odds of getting a home cook meal on sunday 0%.

JT

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Bethel Romeos - throwing your daughters at them

by Uzzah in

it was raised in a comment quoted in the national post article today:.

on speaking engagements at kingdom halls throughout the country, fathers would sometimes even offer up their daughters in marriage to him because of the prestige of his position, he said.. have any of the gals here experienced this?

did your parents 'parade you' around visiting bethelites or try to set you up with them?

JT

that is how i met my wife

we had this guy at bethel his name was Lee Waters, he worked in the Writing and service dept

he was one cool duded, even had a R &B bethel band that played at weddings in NYC-

his mom was Notrious for trying to set you up with sisters- like many older sisters i knew

they would try to "Hook up a Brotha"

i my exp the worst were the little white bro from Iowa or the midwest

we used to laugh at how those older black sisters manytimes with 2-4 kids would jump on these little naive guys the min they walk thru the hall doors

they would be lonely and these sister would give them those home cooked meals and before you knew these guys would be living bethel moving to Queens

hey it can be rough being a single man at bethel

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My Bethel Experience Part 10

by new boy in

jw
friends

there were guys at bethel, who had great jobs........like don brouex.....he was the receptionist at the 124 desk....checking in and "checking out" ......all the bethel tours and "hot" sisters......on there way through the "home tour"............that my friend, is not a real bethel job.. there were guys at bethel, that had great congergations with maybe only 2-4 bethelities in their halls.

one hall, midtown had over 80 bethelites there.............. 3 old ladies 4 kids and a dog.

odds of getting a home cook meal on sunday 0%.

JT

Hey man

I have enjoyed your bethel war stories, i was up at the Big House a few years after you, but even when i was there some things were the same

you mentioned

Dave Borga (Mr G Job king)

well here is an exp of my life at bethel and G-Jobbing

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What is G-JOBBING___

It is called Government work- it refers to GOV employees being lazy and just getting a check

well it has to do with bethelites being too lazy to go out and get a real job so we do side jobs to make money while at bethel

and you can make alot if you are in the right "Trade" electrician, plumber, tile setter, roofer, etc and it is all tax free

the Congo in NYC would pay you to work on their halls since most jw in NY are white collar and not tradesmen

we even did work for NONJW- using WT tools , supplies and Trucks and since it was always at COST it was cheap --can you imagine what it would cost to rent a FLATBED truck in NYC to hall Dry wall 2 blocks- smile

all you needed to do was to get the guys who worked in that dept to requisition it under their name- they didn't even need to be there , but they would get their cut- lot of Elders headed up these work teams

so we would use the buying power of the Society to get these supplies for halls and bro in there home many times

some guys were clearing $3,000 a month tax free- bethel has cracked down on it by requiring you to sign a VOW OF POVERTY which is a form from the IRS saying you will not do any side jobs-

also the waiters did lots of G-JOBBING if anyone has been to bethel for lunch they are always impressed with how over 6000, folks can be served in less than 20min- well this is were the waiters come in at

folk like to use the bethelites at thier weddings to serve their guest
and if you are talking references just watch the mothers and fathers who have daugthers getting married in a few weeks come up to you afterward and ask you to do thier kids wedding

so the money rolls in beside everyone figures who BETTER TO HELP THAN THE LOWLY BETHELITES

smile

the BREAKER was some guys did a job and the person filed for it on his taxes --of course the IRS wants to know who do we get our money from

well I'd be Damn-- if it ain't some guys who is suppose to be living off $90.00 a month smile

so the society got involved and shut down most of the best money making jobs-

from what I understand you can still do it but you have to go through a lot of hoops

so many guys were missing meetings on the weekend and wiped out on Monday that flags started going up- we had this old nurse Called Sophie ----all my god she would worry you to death if you called in sick on a MONDAY were you out late Sunday night- what time did you get in, etc

old bag man

we had a plumbing job that was bidded out by a Congo in Queens with UNION NYC plumbers that was for $32,000, $36,000 and there was another bid price

so the elders asked the bethelites could we do it- it was a complete job from the street to the inside of the hall to toilets and sinks and tile job

well we could not ask for a set price but only tell the elders WHATEVER YOU BROTHERS WANTED TO GIVE US

well they presented it to the Congo and they came back with $25,000 offer and it would be just 5 of us and they would supply all the manual labor through the local bros.

we are talking $5,000 a piece - no taxes -in a weekend baby with a few follow up days to clean up any leftovers

one of the guys was a MASTER PLUMBER SO HE always got the permits we needed from the city- due to the large amount we got cold feet so we talked with Ralph Walls about it and he told us we needed to consider how would it look with that sum of cash in 2days of work- where in fact it would have been no work at all since we would have merely been overseeing the local guys doing all the digging of the trenches SMILE HEY YOU GOT TO LOVE IT MAN

so we turned it down- DAMN I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT

there is one guy and some of the bethelites on the net know this guy he ran the ROOFING DEPT as the overseer and was (REMOVED FROM THAT JOB FOR THIS REASON) and since all the roofs in NYC on the halls are flat--they are always leaking due to water standing on them

well he would take SOME OF his crew and knock out a roof over a weekend and man he was clocking over 3K amonth, not bad considering you don't have any expenses

but the most famous G -JOBBER OF ALL TIME WAS a bro from out of Texas if I'm correct- any bethelites here will correct me if I'm wrong on the state he is from

any way his name was James (JIM) Spencer he was the photography overseer and he had access to the society's $Million dollar cameras and film and processing equipment and he used to shoot WEDDINGS ON THE WEEKEND- hey like I said YOU GOT TO LOVE IT

NOW CK THIS OUT I had a buddy who was in on the deal-- he worked at the Stanley theater- that is the most expensive assembly hall in the wt arsenal of assembly hall probably

you all know it --the million dollar chandelier- anyway one of my boys was assigned as a keeper when they used bethelites---- now they have a pioneer couple over there --old Ricketts and he is a LITTLE HUSTLER as well

anyway Jim would arrange to use the assembly hall to take couples pictures

and I tell you-- to have your wife coming down the GRAND STAIRCASE IN HER GOWN hey man we are talking GONE WITH THE WIND TYPE STUFF

well my boy could have folks over to the assembly hall after hours as long as they were his guests

man he didn't even know some of the couples

so Spencer would kick him a little "SOMETHING -SOMETHING" SMILE

anyway old Spencer got caught not reimbursing the Society for the equipment and since he was the Overseer of the dept no one really questioned what he was working on late at night

hey it was not your latest mag cover shot- smile

so the "Shit hit the fan" and my man was BUSTED DOWN FROM PHOTO OVERSEER

to working the Bindery lines in the leather gold bible section

it was so embarrassing cause about a month after he got SHAFTED we had an Open tour of the factory were the office guys and the home guys could come over to the factory and see how the book and mags are made

and you guessed it ---my man James Spencer is right on the tour route and all the office guys are walking through laughing their a$$ off at him sitting there sweating with a tee shirt and blue jeans on.

his roommate was Robbie Vela from Hawaii the big island ---he worked upstairs in the bindery on the hardback line and he told us that Spencer would come home from work when he worked in photo dept and there would be TICKETS FOR him to fly to Japan or Rome or anywhere in the world just to take a couple of rolls of film and fly back

man we are talking about living the good life- he flew almost as much as the guys with UPI or AP wire guys

single man living the life and since he was the PO in his hall up in the Bronx he had the best of both worlds in the local hall and at the big house

from what I understand HE MADE A KILLING

well it is now bed time and no more bethel stories until later

smile

James

PS this is the last one it's too good to let pass

now i earned my money when i was at bethel others don't

as you all know by now the spokesman for the wt is a guy named JR Brown as a black man we use to call the the Society's Louis Farrakan

the most powerful speaker every to Grace a wt mike esp in the black community

well anyway he is ACES with larry Graham and larry is always hooking him up along with 1000's of his fans

anyway when he bought his new car alot of the Heavies and i don't mean to get racial,but some of the White boys were not happy

As they would say in the black Hood ""This Negro went out and bought a $45,000 car"

my man drives a top of the line fully loaded "Q45"
now go figure how you and i can do that off $90.00 a month

YOU TO TO LOVE IT

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My reinstatment letter

by nonamegiven in

for those that don't know, here's the cliffs notes version.. i've been df'd for 5 months now for giving in to an addiction i have.

i want to be reinstated so i can gian my family and a few close friends back in my life then i will fade like a bad dye job.

here's the reinstatment letter i have thus far i am open to any input at all.. dear holier-than-thou brothers,.

JT

Living a life that is a 'lie' and is not your own is not freedom

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come on you all --it ain't that bad what the guy is doing- we should be jumping for joy that the guy is going to pimp slap the wt with their own rules

anyone who has been a jw for more than 2 days has been living a LIe anyway

how many of your - like myself walked around for 10-20-30+ yrs actually thinking that our dumbass was going to play with some "lions" - now that is living a lie dude-

this guy has a plan to strike back at the wt with their own rule and why for his own selfish reasons- for once in his life he gets to do something for SELF and not WT

since he doesn't plan on staying anyway, let the guy have some fun- i know former jw who have had bible studies with a jw as an interested person, just for kicks and grins

lighten up folks damn we were in a cult, let the guy enjoy life for a spell