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  Any substitute military service was NOT acceptable

  by MacHislopp in

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  did you remember this one?.

  ** yb91 166 sweden-1991 yearbook report ***.

  in the early 1970s, a governmental committee was appointed to.

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  Excellent quote but keep this point in mind

  *** wt 05/00 9-10 Firmly Uphold Godly Teaching ***
  Enemies of the Truth

  "a few individuals have left our ranks, and some among them are bent on defaming Jehovah's Witnesses by spreading lies and misinformation."

  Would quoting the 91 yr book word for word qualify AS MISINFORMATION about jw telling a lie about Alternative service????????

  Yes the wt accuses apostates of spreading misinformation about them

  Yet all of the most vocal "Apoststes" document and post the exact ref for what they say

  How sad

  ** yb91 166 Sweden-1991 Yearbook Report ***
  In the early 1970’s, a governmental committee was appointed to
  review the handling of conscientious objectors. For the sake of uniformity,
  the authorities wanted Jehovah’s Witnesses to serve on terms similar
  to those for other religious groups and do compulsory work as a substitute.
  Representatives of the branch office appeared before the committee,
  explaining that the Witnesses could not accept any substitute for
  military service whatsoever, no matter how praiseworthy the task.
  J.C. MacHislopp
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  Why are we not "officially" informed?

  by MacHislopp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you find normal that:.

  it is interesting to point out that nearly a year after ceasing its policy of .

  disfellowshipping jehovahs witnesses who accept blood or the blood.

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  sOMEBODY SAYS:

  Seems if the change effects life or death, they prefer to stick the new light in the "questions from readers" section instead of making followers aware of it by making it a repetative study article

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  AND WT says women are not smart- smile

  U GO GIRL!!!!!!

  YOU have stated the hard cold facts
  dogmas that involved folks lives are put on page 28 - too many times

  instead of a Letter to the congo, and a insert in the KM and a nice sunday study article to make sure that everyone got the new light

  GREAT POST AND ON THE MONEY

  JT
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  PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

  by Focus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

  do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

  -u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

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  6 of 9 says

  ...true, but since these kings do not defile themselves with women, it (size) is of no real importance, in spite of what Ezekiel 23:20 says

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  U R BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

  SMILE LOL

  JT
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  PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

  by Focus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

  do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

  -u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

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  Focus, Focus

  calm down my man b4 your blow a head gasket

  your anger is fully understood, but to be honest about it Friend is just as much a victim as the rest of us

  it is all a matter of DEGREES

  anyone who has connections with wt is being sold a bill of goods

  since i have been on the net i havew seen lots of bro just like Friend- try to explain/play in the pig pen without getting any MUD on them

  regardless of what he says we all know that he got mud on his shoes

  when you finally reaches the point were we are trust me on this one

  he will be one of the Most Damaging guys wt has seen in yrs

  consider the mere fact that he is even here

  to me any jw who is willing to disregard MoMMY like this- is already on his way out of the org and the funny thing is he don't even know it

  SO DON'T worry THE mere fact that as a JW he would even dialog is actually saying alot in my book

  considering that if he is caught his A$$ is Grass- you know as well as the rest of us he would be Forced as a Grown man to say "i'M SORRY BROTHERS FOR BEING IN THAT FORUM"

  think about it - here we have a dude 50-60-70 or maybe even older and he lives in fear- he is never free to say to a group of folks

  "WEll yes i surf the net all the sites even ones that discuss the org"

  instead he must carefully speak only around those who will not "Turn" him in

  so at least commend the dude for having the guts to even be here

  you know that in the avg congo of 120 pub you could not get 2 folks to discuss at length and depth any of the conversations that take place on forums like this , and why THEY LIVE IN FEAR

  so look on the bright side each post he reads is one more piece of the puzzle that you and i and others are helping to put together for this bro- he like most jw only speak and think what they are told

  and if you do that for long time it's hard to change

  consider he has been a JW for what 20-50yrs - 5 meetings a week of nothing but WT Dogma-- now how long has he been on the net 2 yrs at the most reading a post here and there- so never get bent out of shape

  reflect back on the fine technique wt used to train you__SMILE -

  be calm -ask good questions, and present your facts

  and if he has the right heart condition/ or an event in his life that
  he as to deal with- all things you have stated will come back to him

  i find that a person is only willing to say MAMA is wrong and i must get the "He!! Up Out O here" smile when the time is right

  the worst thing that can be done to a person with the background such as friend is to turn him completely.

  we really have golden opportunity by having friend here

  the vast majority of jw defender are "Flunkies and Outcast"

  rarely do we get real INSIDERS who know what they are talking about

  most of the folks are guys who can't be appointed to carry the mikes in thier Hall- they are out of the LOOP and that is why you see such a high number of them coming here:

  1. not being an Elder or MS
  2 always claiming to be of the ANNOINTED
  3. on a mission from god to save the lost jw here who are being attacked by the mean old apostates

  these are the types of guys i see that are usually the strongest wt defenders- like i said IN THIER HALLS THEY ARE FLUNKIES

  here on the net THEY GET MUCH RESPECT folks even answer back to thier post

  yet in thier hall they merely stand around the Information board looking lost

  so don't feel you need to grab my man in the collar and shake him - while telling him:

  "Man can't you see they are Hoodwinking and Bamboozling YOU"

  it don't work to well in most cases- always remember WT has caught more members with Honey than Vineagar- why not try it out on them

  just my 2

  JT

  TINA SAYS:

  At the end of the day the issue boils down to the powerless(victims) and the powerful(elders,org.men)
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  you have summed it up very nicely , while Friend's Legal/Technical positions would and does work very well in the courtroom.

  sorta like Clinton "What is "IS"---- What is "SEX" legal jargon

  in the real lives of JW who live in total fear of WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO it is amazing

  when you consider the types of questions that the Service Desk and the Writing Dept recieves from persons who have been JW for 10-40 yrs they still show they have developed no ablity whatsoever to make a decsions without cking to see if THE SOCIETY APPROVES IT

  and that really is the bottom line

  where we constantly see grown men and women who must ask is it OK FOR ME TO FART NOW

  they are totally dependent on the org for each breathe they take

  as Ray wrote in his book the org has over the years developed literally volumes and volumes of RULES AND POLICIES.

  I RECALL giving a talk in which the point was made in the outline that the Pharisees had taken something like one law "not to work on the sabbath" and they had increased it to like 17 additional rules/policies/procedures

  all manmade of course and that is the way wt does all the time

  the most interesting dept at bethel in my view is the Service Dept

  where rules/policies/procedures are created and enforced with the Penlty of Death almost

  all manmade of course , but presented to the rank and file and esp the elders as FOOD FROM GOD himself

  and of course we all know how food from god is to be viewed

  so while Friend plays around with legal/technical arguments

  most of use here fully understand that it is due to such a mindset as his is why the WT is in the trouble it is in right now

  At one time i use to Pride myself on the same ability of quoting page and paragraph like friend does-

  but i begin to clearly see that for a religion that operates like a Corporation something is seriously wrong

  when the Home Office of a large corporation decides to shutdown a plant in Littletown, Miss- the guy in accounting who put the numbers together to show that we can make more money by moving to Mexico does not see faces, the children, the community, the school , the Jr socker team, etc that will be affected by this

  all he knows is it will increase the value of the stock

  while being a business man i understand the need at time to make hard decsions,

  but i have seen to many decsions made with little thought to how folks lives will be affect- if a choice has to be made between you and the company- you lose-

  now that may be ok for a corporation, but when a religion operates on the same rules that is sad

  allow me to share with you a personal exp-

  there was an older bro an elder who was like a father to me when i was in bethel , he lived up in The Bronx. this guy had went to jail back in the late60's/early 70's for not going overseas to the war.

  well a few yrs ago i got a call from him in tears- he had just gotten his LATEST FOOD FROM GOD it dealt with Alterantive Service

  here the wt stated that the reason these guys like him went to jail was due to them having "VERY STRICT CONSCIENCES" where in fact "SOME" bro felt there was nothing unscriptural about working at the hopital instead of going to war-

  and that is What we call in the Black commuity "A BlackA$$ Lie"

  he explained to me that when he got his draft letter him and his mama went to the elders to see what he should do.

  and they directed him straight to the bound vols which clearly stated that any real spiritual mature man would go to jail and take it like a man- so since the co was coming soon the elders told him them would ask the co to see if there was any new info on the matter

  the co came and call the Service dept and asked ANY NEW LIGHT

  and co was directed to the same bound vols

  so they told him he could not take the hospital job and if he did he would be deleted as a MS and considered no longer a jw- yes he would be shafted is what they told him

  so he like 1000's of other young men went off to prison cause to do otherwise would have been to go against the VERY WILL OF GOD HIMSELF..

  I was told by a number of persons who should know that while he was in prison he was repeatedly raped as a young man- now i have never asked him about it and i never will, but the persons who told me they should know-

  he can out of prison as a felon- it was very hard to get work- mainly due to it was viewed as so unpatriotic by many folks

  so he got shafted again when it came to employment opportunities

  and now to be told that the reason you went to jail was because YOUR CONSCIENCE WAS TOO STRICT, YOU MUST BE JOKING

  yet when these clowns voted on this matter they saw no face, wife, child, mother or father all they saw was we need to make sure the org is looking good and smelling good

  he just broke down and cried and he just kept saying

  THAT WAS NOT HOW IT WAS, THAT WAS NOT HOW IT WAS-

  today he is no longer an elder rarely attends meeting and is a emotionally BROKEN MAN

  so when i see guys like Friend come up here on this board and others and try to paint an Intellectual/technical/legal picture I TRULY FEEL SORRY FOR HIM

  being that 99% of us here are either jw or xjw we all know the type of MINDSETS that are found thruout this organization

  jw operate on both WRITTEN AND UNWRITTEN RULES and for someone to paint a picture otherwise is simply to being dishonest WITH THEMSELVES

  AND THAT IS SO SAD

  i have seen some JW come here and say "The GB's and the bro at bethel go thru much PAIN in the decisions that they make"

  to that i laugh-
  it they really felt for the rank and file they would be honest and tell them

  NO WE DON'T SPEAK FOR GOD like we have convinced you that we do and have you jumping thru all these hoops that we have setup for you

  just my 2

  JT
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  PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

  by Focus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

  do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

  -u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

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  6 of 9 says

  Don't confuse those good men by saying that we speak for God
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  and this is the VERY CORE OF ALL OF WT PROBLEMS
  they have presented themselves tothier members and the entire world as being something that WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE NOT

  yes the "KING HAS NO CLOTHES ON AND LITTLE SHORT WILLY WILLY TO BOOT"

  SMILE
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  Perhaps it all comes down to this; saying "PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?" is a just a tad bit extreme (though it was worded as a question). But really, if you do not appreciate hyperbole in making important points,

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  YOU HAVE SO WELL summed it up into a nice NUTSHELL

  but years and years of WT training esp of bethelites and guys on the road has literally conditioned them to talk and speak and think in DOUBLE THINK /DOUBLE SPEAK

  WHEN HAVE guy in Special full-time service ( never paid a light bill
  , rent note, etc in the last 25-50 yrs due to being cared for by others one loses his ability to feel and think about the pain of other folks

  even myself - i was at bethel for less than 10yrs and it was a constant struggle to keep yourself from viewing it as WELL I DESERVE THISa i gave up homes, jobs, kids to be here at bethel or on the road

  so i deserve whatever i get so after yrs of strugggling many of the old timers just give in-

  i recall sitting at the table of Bro Cheick- i'm not sure about the spelling but he is Max Larson right hand man in the factory up on the top floor of the 117 adams buildiing he was like 2nd in command at the time Richard wheelock( the dude who commited sucide)3rd

  at any rate- all the bethel boys know who is -

  they had went out for the weekend for a talk at some special assembly day

  so at breakfast everyone was asking how was your weekend

  and then his wife starting GOING OFF- AFTER HIS talk she told us that ONLY ONE LITTLE OLD SISTER HAD GIVEN THEM $5.00 no one else put any money in thier pockets( now for all of you who don't know how it works - as a bethelite you can clean up pretty nicely with those GREEN HANDSHAKES we use to call it)

  and she kept on going on and on "can you believe it" she kept saying over and over- i felt sorry for her husband - he was so embarrassed

  (but then again i said to myself- "sister your husband is a dead speaker"

  my point is this i could clearly see that for some they have shifted into a MODE OF we deserve this mindset

  SO WHEN YOU have this type of mindset held by a number of movers and shakers at bethel--is it any wonder then-

  John Williams and my old roomate both told me NEVER BITE THE HAND THE FEEDS YOU

  how sad

  JT
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  PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

  by Focus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

  do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

  -u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

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  TINA SAYS:

  At the end of the day the issue boils down to the powerless(victims) and the powerful(elders,org.men)
  ######

  you have summed it up very nicely , while Friend's Legal/Technical positions would and does work very well in the courtroom.

  sorta like Clinton "What is "IS"---- What is "SEX" legal jargon

  in the real lives of JW who live in total fear of WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO it is amazing

  when you consider the types of questions that the Service Desk and the Writing Dept recieves from persons who have been JW for 10-40 yrs they still show they have developed no ablity whatsoever to make a decsions without cking to see if THE SOCIETY APPROVES IT

  and that really is the bottom line

  where we constantly see grown men and women who must ask is it OK FOR ME TO FART NOW

  they are totally dependent on the org for each breathe they take

  as Ray wrote in his book the org has over the years developed literally volumes and volumes of RULES AND POLICIES.

  I RECALL giving a talk in which the point was made in the outline that the Pharisees had taken something like one law "not to work on the sabbath" and they had increased it to like 17 additional rules/policies/procedures

  all manmade of course and that is the way wt does all the time

  the most interesting dept at bethel in my view is the Service Dept

  where rules/policies/procedures are created and enforced with the Penlty of Death almost

  all manmade of course , but presented to the rank and file and esp the elders as FOOD FROM GOD himself

  and of course we all know how food from god is to be viewed

  so while Friend plays around with legal/technical arguments

  most of use here fully understand that it is due to such a mindset as his is why the WT is in the trouble it is in right now

  At one time i use to Pride myself on the same ability of quoting page and paragraph like friend does-

  but i begin to clearly see that for a religion that operates like a Corporation something is seriously wrong

  when the Home Office of a large corporation decides to shutdown a plant in Littletown, Miss- the guy in accounting who put the numbers together to show that we can make more money by moving to Mexico does not see faces, the children, the community, the school , the Jr socker team, etc that will be affected by this

  all he knows is it will increase the value of the stock

  while being a business man i understand the need at time to make hard decsions,

  but i have seen to many decsions made with little thought to how folks lives will be affect- if a choice has to be made between you and the company- you lose-

  now that may be ok for a corporation, but when a religion operates on the same rules that is sad

  allow me to share with you a personal exp-

  there was an older bro an elder who was like a father to me when i was in bethel , he lived up in The Bronx. this guy had went to jail back in the late60's/early 70's for not going overseas to the war.

  well a few yrs ago i got a call from him in tears- he had just gotten his LATEST FOOD FROM GOD it dealt with Alterantive Service

  here the wt stated that the reason these guys like him went to jail was due to them having "VERY STRICT CONSCIENCES" where in fact "SOME" bro felt there was nothing unscriptural about working at the hopital instead of going to war-

  and that is What we call in the Black commuity "A BlackA$$ Lie"

  he explained to me that when he got his draft letter him and his mama went to the elders to see what he should do.

  and they directed him straight to the bound vols which clearly stated that any real spiritual mature man would go to jail and take it like a man- so since the co was coming soon the elders told him them would ask the co to see if there was any new info on the matter

  the co came and call the Service dept and asked ANY NEW LIGHT

  and co was directed to the same bound vols

  so they told him he could not take the hospital job and if he did he would be deleted as a MS and considered no longer a jw- yes he would be shafted is what they told him

  so he like 1000's of other young men went off to prison cause to do otherwise would have been to go against the VERY WILL OF GOD HIMSELF..

  I was told by a number of persons who should know that while he was in prison he was repeatedly raped as a young man- now i have never asked him about it and i never will, but the persons who told me they should know-

  he can out of prison as a felon- it was very hard to get work- mainly due to it was viewed as so unpatriotic by many folks

  so he got shafted again when it came to employment opportunities

  and now to be told that the reason you went to jail was because YOUR CONSCIENCE WAS TOO STRICT, YOU MUST BE JOKING

  yet when these clowns voted on this matter they saw no face, wife, child, mother or father all they saw was we need to make sure the org is looking good and smelling good

  he just broke down and cried and he just kept saying

  THAT WAS NOT HOW IT WAS, THAT WAS NOT HOW IT WAS-

  today he is no longer an elder rarely attends meeting and is a emotionally BROKEN MAN

  so when i see guys like Friend come up here on this board and others and try to paint an Intellectual/technical/legal picture I TRULY FEEL SORRY FOR HIM

  being that 99% of us here are either jw or xjw we all know the type of MINDSETS that are found thruout this organization

  jw operate on both WRITTEN AND UNWRITTEN RULES and for someone to paint a picture otherwise is simply to being dishonest WITH THEMSELVES

  AND THAT IS SO SAD

  i have seen some JW come here and say "The GB's and the bro at bethel go thru much PAIN in the decisions that they make"

  to that i laugh-
  it they really felt for the rank and file they would be honest and tell them

  NO WE DON'T SPEAK FOR GOD like we have convinced you that we do and have you jumping thru all these hoops that we have setup for you

  just my 2

  JT
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  A New Nail in "FRIEND"'s COFFIN ;-)

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that honest-hearted ones here are thoroughly sick of friend's ill-disguised, legalistic, nitpicking, ground-shifting, form-over-substancing, necrophilia-inducing attempt to deny that the setup and conduct of the watchtower society serves excellently to encourage pedophilia... (of course, like all apologetics claim, he is not defending the cult, only attacking the poor argument of the opposer - lol!

  lol!

  lol!).

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  While i will agree with all of you that my man Focus is warm under the collar on this issue.

  it in no way changes the FACTS OR MERITS OF HIS ARGUMENT

  COULD He have been a little more seasoned perhaps, but regardless he has clearly demostrated with quotes and letters and comments from the society

  that clearly show how they have created a MINDSET among it's members

  while Friend is correct in the most "TECHNICAL/Legal SENSE"

  in the real world of WT it is a joke.

  there have been many articles that dealt with one subject matter and elders are instructed by co and do to find the "principal" involved

  focus started out quoting an QFR that dealt directly with a civil case

  but this article has been used and will continue to be use by elders and co to discourage the rank and file from making the Org look bad in the "HOOD"

  can't be "DISING" THE ORG smile

  it has not been until recent yrs that the wt due to LEGAL concerns and not concerns about the victims did they only begin to make changes

  as you read thru all the letters the main focus is on how they can protect thier interest as they say "DEDICATED FUNDS"

  SO WHILE the name calling should cease - i'm reminded of what one of our instructors told us in school

  "If a "SISTER" approached you about something you did or said and she was GOING OFF ON YOU ---HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE IT?

  well he poled the elders there in the school some 900 of us and almost to the man- they all said they would rake her across the coals for disrespecting the elder arranagement- then he paused and said

  actually if she is right it shouldn't matter how she presents it-

  looking back on that day i can't help but think and ask the question

  WHERE DID THAT MINDSET COME FROM TO RAKE THIS FEMALE ACROSS THE COALS?

  yes wt creates a MIndset in it's people that now is coming back to roost

  just my 2

  JT
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  WT uses a Double Standard??????????

  by JT in

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  for an honest hearted person here is very little that upsets them like a double standard one rule for me and another for you.

  for any current jw who may read this ask yourself , why would the society commend these folks for their actions and yet df you for doing the very same thing.

  i have stated on many occasions that the writing dept often times writes excellent articles and this on in my opiion is no exception.

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  hey we all go to call it as we see it

  smile

  JT
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  PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

  by Focus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

  do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

  -u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

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  Friend

  I have often enjoyed your post and you are correct the "Devil is in the details"

  The problem you fail to realize is what happens when the "Tire hits the Pavement"

  I too at one time could quote page and paragraph on Organizational Procedures

  In Fact when I was at bethel my Mentor RP Johnson and JR Brown taught me well

  RP always told me there are 2 thing that make you valuable to the Society

  1. :Love the Brothers
  2. and know Org Procedures like the back of your hand- WHILE YOU MAY NOT BE LIKED you will always be RIGHT cause you will have the Society standing behind you

  I would not even dare to try and hold a candle to your ability to present Org Policy- for
  YOU know it like the back of your hand

  After looking back over all my yrs as a jw I have come to the conclusion that the Core Problem with JW is the Foundation that they are built on.

  And I don't see the situation getting any better in the yrs to come due to this Core Dogma of "WE and ONLY WE speak for God"

  IN FACT I THINK the sharpest elders will continue to leave while those guys who are left will be guys who a few yrs ago would not have been put in charge of Mags

  I realize that you have shared with many of us here on the Net that you don't really share that view as often times presented by the Org.

  I see it like this:

  Friend you are a Medical Dir of a large hospital and you have taken guys who work in cleaning laundry, plumbing shop etc and promoted them to Medical Surgeons

  You gave them some booklets on medicine and reassured them that they are duly trained and qualified to do surgery. As folks come into the hospital you reassure them that these guys have been trained at the finest medical schools on the face of the earth, at the feet of world renown doctors

  Then you put them in the operating room and like DUHHHHHHHHH they have no idea of what they are doing

  It is much the same in wt- I mean let's be honest

  if there are 150,000 elders worldwide how many of them could explain the "Durable power of attorney" to the avg publisher

  Yet they are presented to the rank and file as all knowing and all wise on this and all issues

  Never are the elders presented in a light of THEY DON'T HAVE THE FOGGIEST

  With surgical instruments in the hands of a trained Dr it can save lives, but in the hands of a fool-- folks die and suffer

  When I left bethel I was able to find myself in a congo where the elder were Sharp as Nails---------- 4 former bethelites were there when I rolled in

  But as I begin to deal with elders in surrounding halls we use to say "Lord Have Mercy I feel so sorry for the friends"

  Men who held the power of life and death in their hands and decisions

  For so many elders their only Qualification is they have High Hours and make all the meetings

  I have stated many times I personally believe that wt would have been just fine if they had stayed with Bible commentary, this way they would be able to come at any time and change their views without trying to convince their folowers that they just got some NEW INFO FROM GOD

  When in fact the old info as well as this new "New Light" is up to be change in a few months-—WHY CAN'T GOD MAKE UP HIS MIND SMILE

  But the day that Russell decided to go from a student of the word OF GOD ,whose dad had given him some big bucks so that he could print his research to as we say in the black community "HNIC" "Head Nig… In Charge" is he made his mistake-

  Then Rutherford,knorr and Freddie had to keep this ball rolling and they could not or did not want to stop it and today we have perhaps some 20million folks –active/inactive/dfed and jw kids who never got baptized believing that the Boys in Writing Dept speaks for God himself

  In the legal field they have this thing known as FRUIT OF THE POISONOUS TREE
  
  Which means something like if the search warrant was obtain illegally then any evidence be it guns, drugs, even dead bodies sometimes are to be excluded

  Same with WT their Very Core Dogma is Wrong and therefore any Policies /rules, etc that stems from them run into problem.

  I fully understand the situation that you find yourself in and my heart goes out for you, but out on the front lines where the Tires Hit the Pavement life is very different

  Esp when you get into some of the 3rd world and backward countries where the flow of information is almost at a STAND STILL.

  I truly feel for those bro who are convince that they are Truly Trained and Qualified

  And the rank and file must view them as such as well

  It is such a cruel joke to tell a man he can fly a plane just because he read how to do it in a book

  Each time I see the commercial on TV about "Days Inn" I think

  Where they have these persons doing all kinds of things and feeling that they are qualified due to having Stayed at a "Days Inn" for the night

  I appreciate your post and I truly hope that you never leave the NET , but continue to share your insight due to your unique vantagepoint

  JUST MY 2

  JT
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  WT uses a Double Standard??????????

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  for an honest hearted person here is very little that upsets them like a double standard one rule for me and another for you.

  for any current jw who may read this ask yourself , why would the society commend these folks for their actions and yet df you for doing the very same thing.

  i have stated on many occasions that the writing dept often times writes excellent articles and this on in my opiion is no exception.

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  JT

  For an honest hearted person here is very little that upsets them like a Double standard ONE RULE FOR ME AND ANOTHER FOR YOU

  For any current JW who may read this ask yourself , why would the Society commend these folks for their actions and yet DF you for doing the very same thing

  i have stated on many occasions that the Writing Dept often times writes excellent articles and this on in my opiion is no exception

  but the problem is the Double standard- while they commend these persons and even quote them in thier publications- they would serverly condemn any jw who did exactly the same thing

  As you read through this article just replace Catholics with JW

  And insert Alternative service, The Generation dogma and Blood (both Whole and Fractions) --- Is God's law violated … Is it wrong to sustain life by the various blood fractions? Yes! "But regardless of whether it is whole
  Blood or a blood fraction,…, the divine law applies " (W61 pp. 558, 559) in place of EATING MEAT ON FRIDAY

  and you will clearly see the double standard that persons who are jw must submit to

  yes what you will see is Hypocrisy on a Grand scale- imagine if JW were being interviewed and quoted about how they felt about WT changes- do you think the WT would look up them as being Noble minded? In fact notice this little question that the wt encourages of Catholic

  *** g70 4/22 9 Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday? ***
  Would you not be inclined to question other teachings of your church also?

  Well enjoy and be sure to make the Substitution if you want to get the full effect of Hypocrisy at work

  Just my 2

  JT

  *** g70 4/22 8 Changes That Disturb People ***
  One of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches. Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement, or even despair, because of what is happening in your church? A businessman in Medellín, Colombia, expressed the effect the changes have had on many.
  “Tell me,” he asked, “how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe ‘new things.’ How do I know the ‘new things’ will be the truth in five years?”
  What are some of these changes that disturb people?

  *** g70 4/22 8-10 Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday? ***
  Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday?
  FOR centuries Catholics abstained from eating meat on Fridays. It was a Church law. Many sincerely believed it was a law of Almighty God. But now this has changed.
  The fact is that the meatless-Friday rule was made an obligation only some 1,100 years ago. Pope Nicholas I (858-867) was the one who put it into effect. And how vital was it considered that Catholics abide by this rule?
  A publication that bears the Catholic imprimatur, indicating approval, states: “The Catholic Church says that it is a mortal sin for a Catholic to eat meat on Friday knowingly and wilfully, without a sufficiently grave and excusing reason.” It adds: The “Church says that if a man dies in unrepented mortal sin, he will go to hell.”—Radio Replies, Rumble and Carty (1938).
  Thus the devout carefully avoided eating meat on Fridays. They sincerely believed that failure to obey could lead to their eternal punishment in a fiery hell.
  But then, early in 1966, Pope Paul VI authorized local Church officials to modify this abstinence requirement in their countries as they saw fit. The pope was acting in line with recommendations made at the recently completed Second Vatican Council. Thus, in one country after another, meatless Fridays were virtually abolished—in France, Canada, Italy, Mexico, the United States, and so on.
  The Effect
  The effect upon many devout Catholics has been devastating. “All these years I thought it was a sin to eat meat,” explained a housewife in the midwestern United States. “Now I suddenly find out it isn’t a sin. That’s hard to understand.”
  If you are a Catholic, can you understand how a practice that was considered by the Church a “mortal sin” can suddenly be approved? if it was a sin five years ago, why is it not today? Many Catholics cannot understand.
  When a woman in Canada was asked how she felt about the changes in her church, she replied: “I don’t know. Maybe you can tell me. What are they going to do with all those people sent to hell for eating meat on Friday?”
  Not just a few Catholics have asked such questions. The change in teaching has shaken their confidence in the Church. Would you not feel the same way if what you had always been taught to be vital for salvation was suddenly considered unnecessary? Would you not be inclined to question other teachings of your church also?
  The Catholic Church, however, has not completely changed its position on Friday meat abstinence. Even now Catholics are still required to abstain from eating meat on “Good Friday.” Also, in some places they must not eat meat on Fridays during the Lenten season.
  But why is it considered wrong to eat meat on “Good Friday,” but permissible to do so on other Fridays of the year? It has caused thinking persons to wonder.
  Many persons have begun to ask questions regarding the basis for this teaching, as well as about other Church teachings. And what especially disturbs them is that they have not received satisfying answers.
  What Becomes Evident
  The inability of the Church to explain its position Scripturally makes evident an important fact: The Catholic Church has not based its teachings upon what God’s Word says. Rather, it has founded many of its beliefs and practices on the unstable traditions of men.
  This is obviously true with regard to Friday meat abstinence. For, look as you may, nowhere in the Bible will you find that Christians were ever instructed to refrain from eating meat on any Friday of the year, or on any other day. It is not a requirement of God. In fact, the Catholic edition of the Revised Standard Version Bible says that enjoining or commanding “abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving” is an evidence of a departure from the faith.—1 Tim. 4:1-4.
  Thus, many truth-seekers are having their eyes opened to see that the Catholic Church has not been holding strictly to God’s Word.