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Posts by JT
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41What is the wackiest thing God has ever done?
by DannyBloem inis it killing 42 children because they called prophet elisha a bald headed man (which he probably was, so they did ot even lie)?.
is it killing 70000 innocent israelites because the king david does a counting of the people?
(it is hard to keep the numbers right if the fluctuate so much).
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SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006
by BluesBrother ini have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.
memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).
most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!
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Since we do not keep track of that time informal or incidental preaching, it is not required to be reported
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a acording to what is in Print--mature christian witnesses would report both Informal and formal time spent offering wt theology
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Is the Watchtower Society strong enough to win this war with the internet?
by jack w incould it be that the wts actually thinks it can win this war?
i mean, they are forcing sites to close down, suing the people that run them etc.
i wonder if this is the way they want to "handle" the internet problem.
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JT
Imagine going back to say the mindset of the WT organisation in 1970 for example; never in their worst nightmare could the Watchtower back then have imagined a scenario whereby every last foolishness they have ever published would be a click away in the privacy of someones own home. That private letters to DO's, CO's and Elders would be visible for public viewing worldwide. Never could they have forseen that a network would exist whereby former JW's could get together and air their views and more importantly offer support to each other. The advances in technology in the last decade absolutely stagger me; and who knows what lies ahead
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man this is one deep post above
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Is the Watchtower Society strong enough to win this war with the internet?
by jack w incould it be that the wts actually thinks it can win this war?
i mean, they are forcing sites to close down, suing the people that run them etc.
i wonder if this is the way they want to "handle" the internet problem.
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At this point Quotes remains unique, and there were a few critical errors that he committed with that project that opened him up to a lawsuit based on copyright infringement.
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good point, whatever was done wrong on the Quotes site will be learned from and improved- for each site that the wt takes down the next one will be harder and harder, for each site will learn from the previous, all the while continuing to provide folks with "delightful words of truths" directly from the wt publications
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Gillet vs Watchtower!
by Atlantis inwatchtower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, inc., watchtower bible & tract society of new york, inc., watchtower bible & tract society of florida, inc., the west north miami congregation of jehovah's witnesses, inc., francois jn denis and maria nunes, .
in the district court of appeal of florida .
gillet v. watchtower bible & tract society case no.
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JT
A Circuit Overseer or District Overseer driving their Society supplied car or one which the Society pays insurance upon and who receive a housing/living stipend, etc. and travelling on assignment would probably be a different story
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BINGO
and Bethelite as well are considered AGENTS
WT pays 1.55 million $ The largest settlement ever paid in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses occurred this past October, but no news outlet has yet reported it.The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, which is the umbrella organization over 6 million Witnesses worldwide, paid the estate of Frances Coughlin $1.55 million dollars rather than let a jury decide the wrongful death lawsuit.
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Followup on activity at NYC Bethel
by startingover ini posted something a few days ago on friends regarding printing still being done in nyc.
i have some new info and am putting it under scandals because it doesn't move so fast.. i have family members that just returned from a trip to nyc.
they did the tours in brooklyn, walkill and patterson.
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JT
I got a confirmation last night that bethel is indeed in Downsize MODE-
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Could "Agency" End Door to Door Work?
by metatron insorry if this was posted already but i didn't see it , so here goes.. .
a catholic lady has a car accident while delivering a statue/idol as a volunteer for the church.
an old guy gets paralysed.
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JT
just a fyi
March 05, 2003 ::
Why did Jehovah's Witnesses pay the largest cash settlement in its history?
The largest settlement ever paid in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses occurred this past October, but no news outlet has yet reported it.
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, which is the umbrella organization over 6 million Witnesses worldwide, paid the estate of Frances Coughlin $1.55 million dollars rather than let a jury decide the wrongful death lawsuit.
Frances Coughlin's surviving family sued Jehovah's Witnesses, also known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, in State of Connecticut Superior Court at Milford (CV-00-0072183 S).
The principle defendant was a "Bethelite," or full-time ministry worker, who drove recklessly in bad weather and killed Ms. Coughlin, a mother and grandmother, on October 8, 1998.
That Bethelite Jordon Johnson was traveling between "Bethel," which has housing for its full-time workers in Patison, New Jersey and Brooklyn, New York, to a Witness Kingdom Hall he was assigned to in Derby, Connecticut.
Johnson was found guilty of vehicular manslaughter, but only served 30 days in jail and was sentenced to two years probation. Subsequently, he and Jehovah's Witnesses faced a civil suit filed by Ms. Coughlin's surviving family for damages.
Why was the Witness organization willing to pay more than $1.5 million dollars?
Apparently because a much larger issue of "agency" was at stake.
Agency is the word used to express a relationship between a principal party and its agent, through which the principal party projects its power and/or advances some purpose. And a principal party may be held liable for the actions of its agent.
Jehovah's Witnesses contended that Jordan Johnson acted on his own and was not their agent at the time he caused the fatal car wreck.
But plaintiff's counsel, Joel Faxon of Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder, claimed on his client's behalf that Jordan Johnson was serving as a Bethelite and agent of the organization at the time and advancing their purpose, therefore Jehovah's Witnesses was responsible for his actions.
Internal documents were obtained through the discovery process and testimony was given through depositions, which clarified and substantiated Faxon's view.
I was retained as an expert witness and consultant for this case by the plaintiff's counsel.
My role was to assist in the discovery process, provide research and generally help to form a basis for an understanding of how Jehovah's Witnesses employ, use and control Bethelites and others within their organization. Ultimately, I would have also testified as an expert in court.
That testimony would have included explaining in clear terms how the organizational dynamics, indoctrination and objectives of Jehovah's Witnesses impact individual members and more specifically full-time workers such as Bethelite Jordan Johnson.
But on the first day of trial Jehovah's Witnesses decided they didn't want a jury to decide this case and instead $1.55 million was paid to the plaintiff.
The organization that claims it is waiting for the ever-eminent "end of the world" decided to settle in a pragmatic move to protect its long-term interests and more than $1 billion dollars of accumulated assets.
Again, why would the Witnesses do this if they actually believed they had no meaningful liability?
Certainly the cost to complete the case in court would be far less than $1.55 million dollars. Why not let the jury decide?
But the seemingly shrewd Witnesses realized that there was just too much at stake and didn't want to risk a "guilty" verdict.
Currently the organization known as Jehovah's Witnesses faces a growing number of lawsuits filed by former members who feel the organization has hurt them.
The personal injuries were allegedly caused by elders and others acting in accordance with the organization's policies and doctrines, which include such matters as blood transfusions and sexual abuse.
Seemingly to protect its assets the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses and its many Kingdom Hall congregations have in recent years created a myriad of corporate entities to apparently contain liability.
That is, each corporation is seemingly only responsible for its own specific actions and not the action of others. Again, this appears to be a rather pragmatic legal approach to protect the assets amassed by Jehovah's Witnesses over more than a century.
But what if Jehovah's Witnesses are nevertheless responsible or liable for the actions of its agents, which would include elders and others throughout its vast network of districts and Kingdom Halls?
Well, now you can see why the check was likely cut for $1.55 million in the Coughlin case.
Jehovah's Witnesses were apparently concerned about what legal precedent a jury might set that could ultimately affect other claims pending or potentially possible in the future against the organization.
Many people seem to think that Jehovah's Witnesses or the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is focused on the end of the world and a coming kingdom. At least that's the impression many have when its members come knocking at the door.
But through the Coughlin case a different view of the organization emerges, which looks more like a business protecting its worldly assets and focused on the bottom line.
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Is the Watchtower Society strong enough to win this war with the internet?
by jack w incould it be that the wts actually thinks it can win this war?
i mean, they are forcing sites to close down, suing the people that run them etc.
i wonder if this is the way they want to "handle" the internet problem.
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JT
Holy Dooley.........I just saw JT's post.............I didn't mean that many pragraphs
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sorry about that
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Is the Watchtower Society strong enough to win this war with the internet?
by jack w incould it be that the wts actually thinks it can win this war?
i mean, they are forcing sites to close down, suing the people that run them etc.
i wonder if this is the way they want to "handle" the internet problem.
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If it wasn't, every piece of nonprofit, lifesaving, and inspired literature they have should be online.
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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the wt would upload the latest mag all the time
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Is the Watchtower Society strong enough to win this war with the internet?
by jack w incould it be that the wts actually thinks it can win this war?
i mean, they are forcing sites to close down, suing the people that run them etc.
i wonder if this is the way they want to "handle" the internet problem.
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JT
A poster stated :
“They will make using the internet a reason to DF a person”
While I understand you point I hardly see this happening, and the reason I simple, currently the service dept is moving dfing offenses over to daing offense category, the reason is no legal liability yet they can get the same results, shunning
The wt is currently using the same tactic with the net that they used with college, the wt never said that a jw could not go to college, instead they went a step further, they demonized college to the point where any mature Christian knew better than to go to college they went after the jw mind and how they think and reason
Today that is the same approach they are taking with the net and I see it increasing with more talks, CO talks , wt articles,, etc
Consider this – currently jw know to never mention while in a group of jw that they were using the net for the purpose of seeking “Biblical information”
Yes they can go to CNN.com, but to publicly state while in a group of jw that they were up on the net doing some research on so and so about the bible will never happened
The wt has successfully created a mindset that if a jw mentions they frequent the net, the other members will think – he must be seeing porn or apostates site
\can you see any jw during the wt on Sunday say”
“I was up on the internet last night and found an interesting point”
even if the point AGREES with the wt, the congo would start to wonder why is he always saying”I read so and so from the net, instead of of I read the wt publications”
so by demonizing the net among jw- as oppose to an outright out ban, prevents the wt from having to deal with legal issues that a judicial committee presents
The problem of course is that the net allows jw in the privacy of their homes to surf the net unknown-
Consider even the most dyed in the wool Pro WT supporter that you can find on any debate forum, would be in deep DO DO if the CO found out that they were in such sites filled with dfed daed and apostates- even if they are defending the org, they would still be in deep trouble
The wt has state that NO JW should \put up any sites, even PRO JW sites
But the net as everyone has mentioned is a different animal and the wt has never had to account for it long paper trail of goofy dogmas and half bake claims of this info is food from god-
I think the wt put it best about quotes:
“That stuff on Quotes is embarrassing”
if you look at the sites the wt has shut down you will see the same common thread- go after the legal copyright stuff position.
I think we will see a combination of the following things happen
1. those who set up sites will modify their sites to comply with fair use laws and will then be out of reach of wt
sites will be setup in countries where the laws are different
and I can see the day that someone will host a jw site on a large corp ISP- say for example a corp the size of VIACOM
who will not be afraid of some legal suit from some religious group pissed off cause someone is showing embarrassing documents about them
you see the wt risk actually creating greater attention, just suppose that VIACOM says:
“Hell NO we aint shutting down a paying customer site”
then they decide to turn this over to their news division who wants to make a story out of : “Goliath tries to shut down David”
all of a sudden you got both NONJW and JW interested in see what is all the fuss about and end up hitting this site from users around the world to a tune of a few hundred million hits
and everyone is now reading how the wt stated that it was Gods law that if a woman caught her husband Banging the family dog, she could not divorce and remarry-
the way human nature works is the more noise the wt makes the greater the chance of attention being drawn to what they are trying to hide in terms of embarrassing and goofy dogmas
so the net is an animal that even gov can’t stop- look at the most died in the wool countries and yet folks still can get to info-
in fact it often times makes the desire to see and read the info even greater, which is the opposite results they want
while I have seen older jw in fear of the net, the new generation of jw youths will view the net the same way we view the tv, phone or microwave, just another tool to use in our daily lives
so no wt will not win
consider, with a losing message as seen by the billions of hours and zero growth-
a membership that is getting old ,tired, worn out and bored with just meeting and field service,
now we see an info source --the net-- that is becoming an integral part of our lives
how can they win-
while they maybe able to keep the jw in from fear of reading apostates sites, due to fear of disregarding the instructions of the FDS
but for NONJW they will have no affect
consider that today before folks purchase many items, what is the first thin they do----- CK the NET for pros and cons
well after awhile that process will be the common practice of practically all persons on all issues, including religions
you see the biggest challenge a nonjw faces is knowing what questions to ask a jw, by the time they know what questions to ask they are baptized and told to keep their mouth shut
being that jw can’t defend the wt paper trail, imagine each week when the jw returns for the bible study the person has printed out a ton of wt quotes and wants the jw to address them
no jw can withstand that onslaught- they simply are not prepared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!