Posts by jterfehr

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Apostate minimum qualifications

by Mum in

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i was a baptized jw, so now i, to the best of my understanding, am regarded as an apostate by jw's in good standing.. my daughter was never baptized, but she so wants to be an apostate that i have taken pity on her and decided to find out if she qualifies anyway.

she was brought up as a jw.

after i left her dad, she mostly lived with him so that the indoctrination could continue.. she lost her religion anyway, so is there any hope for her to be considered an apostate.

jterfehr

But, there ARE easier ways to become an apostate. In my case I just started associating with one. But, I beleive by far the easiest way is to just send a simple letter to the Body of Elders in your cong. It could go something like this.

Anyone Anywhere
1234 Lost Ave
Confused City, CA 00000

Dear Former Brothers,

I have come to realize that you and your organization are full of shit. Please don't call me or attempt to contact me.

Sincerely

Anyone

This will in fact guaranty your admission to the congregation of Apostasy. Further, the brothers will think you are crazy and if you later change your mind you can recant the whole thing. No long drawn out letter, they wouldn't change their beliefs if Jesus thumped them on the head. So don't waste your breath or your ink. Have a great "free" life.

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A slightly different daily text!!

by jterfehr in

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god also said, 'look, to you i give all the seed-bearing plants everywhere on the surface of the earth, and all the trees with seed bearing fruit; this will be your food.'.

would this mean that we can partake of "all the seed-bearing plants" as this would be 'your food'?.

genesis 1:29 new jerusalem bible.

jterfehr

Ah, as I expected the usual government fed anti marijuana propaganda. But my friends, I entreat you...

The purpose of my "daily text" was not to discuss the dangers of 'abuse' of drugs or alcohol, but rather to open a discussion on the bibles view of such. As we all know, over indulging in anything is detrimental. Cases in point:

1. If we eat too much, we become fat and release a host of negative health effects on ourselves.
2. If we are "sex addicts" we ruin our families, and cause numerous sociatal problems.
3. If we work too much, we ruin our bodies, our relationships (but have lots of money!!)

So I ask you, would a balanced viewpoint be appropriate?

Is it wrong to drink a glass of wine? Most would argue, NO! However, we all know that too much wine can be a problem. So, shall we ban all alcohol like in the 30's? It didn't work then. And it doesn't work today with Marijuana.

The reality is, there are many (although you won't know it by looking at them) balanced, reasonable users of marijuana. These people are not the normal 'hey dude, yeah man' type of smokers. They are business men, doctors, lawyers and such. They live in the closet as to marijuana because of the laws in society. I could go on for hours about the study's on marijuana, and it supposed negative effects, but I digress. This is about the Bible. So for the purpose of this argument forget what you think you know about its dangerous (reefer madness) effects on humans.

Does the bible condemn its use?
Does the bible make it clear that all plants are for our use, and would that include Marijuana?

As to the other side of the argument (dangers) I am more than happy to start a new topic on that. But, this site seems to have a biblical/religious theme, and I will try to stick to it.

PS If you want to argue that the act of "smoking" marijuana vs. eating it is bad for you check out the link below from Dr. Dean Edell.

http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/deanfulltexttopics.cfm?ID=56926&storytype=DeanQuestions

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A slightly different daily text!!

by jterfehr in

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friends

god also said, 'look, to you i give all the seed-bearing plants everywhere on the surface of the earth, and all the trees with seed bearing fruit; this will be your food.'.

would this mean that we can partake of "all the seed-bearing plants" as this would be 'your food'?.

genesis 1:29 new jerusalem bible.

jterfehr

God also said, 'Look, to you I give all the seed-bearing plants everywhere on the surface of the earth, and all the trees with seed bearing fruit; this will be your food.'

Would this mean that we can partake of "all the seed-bearing plants" as this would be 'your food'?

Genesis 1:29 New Jerusalem Bible

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Genesis 1:29 King James Bible

This translation is even better 'herb bearing seed'.

Spark up brothers, Jah has given us..........................

Marijuana

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What happened to freedom of speach/thought???

by jterfehr in

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i have not been to this sight in months.

i come back and its a complete mess.

this jw-whoever guy, has a right to speak his mind.

jterfehr

That is exactly my point. I am not sure what all of your idea's of spamming is, but mine is unsolicited advertising. JW??'s remarks are his ideas, not advertising, and they were mostly on topic with the point of this website.

Having rules like only 1 username is fair, and having rules about the number of posts per day is fair. They apply universally to all users. But having someone (even the "owner" of this site) decide what is acceptable discussion and what is not is where the problem is. Perhaps universal "rules" regarding this websites use are in order.

Suggestion:

1. Only 1 username per IP address.
2. x number of posts per day.
3. ect, ect

This list of "rules" could be posted for all new members to see when they sign up. I would be opposed to rules that limit what topics can be discussed, and how though, that is really where my problem lies.

I appreciate all of your input on this and realize that this site does infact belong to Simon, therefore it is ultimatly up to him what happens. But I hope Simon, that you will take my point of view (and others) into account.

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What happened to freedom of speach/thought???

by jterfehr in

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friends

i have not been to this sight in months.

i come back and its a complete mess.

this jw-whoever guy, has a right to speak his mind.

jterfehr

Thank you Wilshire. You stated it perfectly, Nothing need to be added, as the veil has been removed, and all can see red herring Simon used. On tap for his next post, circular reasoning!!

Good Day.

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What happened to freedom of speach/thought???

by jterfehr in

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friends

i have not been to this sight in months.

i come back and its a complete mess.

this jw-whoever guy, has a right to speak his mind.

jterfehr

"This is a discussion board. Do you understand? Discussion. "

Why yes, that is what I am talking about!!!! Do you understand discussion...maybe everyone doesn't agree with you, does that bother you, perhaps you need to go back to JW's so that you are all in unity.

"Also a community online. Do you understand? Community."

Well now here is where I get a little fuzzy. By community do you mean mind control, thought control, and, to quote the GB "unity at all costs"

If so then you can have your version of community, its not for me.

"Coming in and dropping tons of riduculous-in-the-extreme little-brained topics, does not contribute to discussion, nor does it contribute to a community atmosphere. If your contibution or lack thereof doesn't help with either criteria, I guess it's two strikes you're out. If you don't want to offer anything, why should you be allowed to hinder those who do?"

How is anyone (except Simon) hindering anyone. The only people being hindered are those who are silenced!!

Get out of your "club" mentality. Everyone can say anything they want. There should be NO limits, if there are, we join the ranks of all the other censorship groups like JW's. I am only advocation Freedom here, I don't agree with everything said on this site. I choose to read some posts, and not others. I have a mind, and I use it.

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What happened to freedom of speach/thought???

by jterfehr in

jw
friends

i have not been to this sight in months.

i come back and its a complete mess.

this jw-whoever guy, has a right to speak his mind.

jterfehr

I have not been to this sight in months. I come back and its a complete mess. This JW-whoever guy, has a right to speak his mind. Don't read his posts if you don't like them. What are we doing when we remove somebody just because we don't like what they are saying. I didn't see him ever call anyone names, or spew hate. But others are and they are allowed to stay. Are you all (Simon!!) becoming JW's again, with its censorship and excommunication!

I AM APPALLED!!! I don't agree with everything said on this site, but there is NEVER a good reason to remove someone, then we become the people we dislike so much...the JW's themselves. I thought this site, and perhaps the internet itself was about freedom of expression.

I guess this site will turn into the GREAT CROWD site, where only what is "acceptable" can be said or discussed. Was there a star chamber meeting before JW-?? was disfellowshipped, was he given a chance to meet his accusers?? Is he just marked or is this public reproof, and his priveleges will be returned when he acts like a good little JW forum person, and is acceptable to the supreme elder (Simon???????).

This is disgusting, you who are responsible (and you know who you are) should be ashamed that you have slipped back to your old ways, like a 'dog returning to its vomit'. Lets have FULL freedom of expression on this site, where ANYONE is welcome, and everyone exercises their individual conscience on what posts to read and what posts not to read.

Perhaps I will now be targeted for "disfellowshipping" from this site!!

IF SO? SO BE IT!! I left the JW's for this very thing, and I have no problem never returning to this site either.

SO MR SIMON YOU DECIDE, WHAT WILL IT BE?

On the other hand, I appreciate (till now) what I have found on this site, and full freedom of exchange of ideas. I hope it will return to its glory days!

JOHN

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How the JWs helped me

by larc in

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all of us have had negative experiences as a result of leaving the witnesses, some much worse than others.

many here, have expressed a bitterness and an anger over loosing so many "wasted" years.

while these are natural feelings, i think there are several positives we can dwell on as well.

jterfehr

I disagree with this premis. The positive things you expressed could have been gained from just about any christian religion, if it was followed. Futher, many of the positive attributes were probably there anyway. While it's true JW's have helped people find their way out of a reched life, so have Baptists, Protestents, Catholics ect ect ect. Only they don't cut you off from your loved ones.

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It sure is hard being your lord

by Jehovah_God in

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my login session .

--------------------- let there be light!

:let there be light!.

jterfehr

Dude,

Yo! Jah, Whats up man. I havn't seen you since we were catching waves down in Mexico last summer, listenen to Bob Marley. Where you been. I gotta tell ya, that weed we shared on the beach...that was the shit dude! I havn't been that high in my whole life. Could you tell me your connection. Be in North Shore this winter, come on down, we'll duke it out on the big waves.

PS Let these folks on earth know that weed is OK, after all, you put it here!! They just don't get it.

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Ex-dubs in Southern Ca.

by jterfehr in

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friends

any ex dubs in the so cal area?

i am in the desert near palm springs.

just had two families over last night (ex dubs all) and we had a great time.

jterfehr

Please excuse my foux paux, as I am NOT a local, is it still ok for my to say 'frisco'?