SisoNoSiso

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  Jesus disses corporation-led religion??

  by not a captive in

  1. watchtower
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  we were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.

  but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.

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  SisoNoSiso

  Also, when Jesus was hanging with his 12, they saw a man performing miracles. His followers wanted Jesus to stop the man, since he wasn't in their group. Jesus laid down his idea of a true follower, "Anyone who is not against you is for you." (Luke 9:50)

  If it was so important to be inside the selected group, why did Jesus react as he did? If Jesus and Paul acted as the model for Christians, and both went their own way even when the "leadership" went another, what does that tell us about the place of organized religion and unquestioned authority structure?
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  Jesus disses corporation-led religion??

  by not a captive in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.

  but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.

  a small sample--.

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  It's interesting that people like BTS completely buy into this idea of the Apostles and the Jerusalem elders being in charge of every Christian.

  Yet the ones who use this chapter to support the notion of an all-powerful Governing Body fail to recognize that the letter was only sent to three areas of Gentile believers. Were there no other Gentiles anywhere?

  They also fail to recognize that Paul, who was not a member of the (fantasaical) Governing Body in Jerusalem, later told the believers in Rome that 'no food is in itself unclean', even specifically mentioning it being up to individuals whether or not they would eat meat previously sacrificed to idols. So it went from being a hard-and-fast Governing Body rule in Acts 15 to a purely conscience matter in Romans 14. Hmm...

  Paul also ordered Christians not to braid their hair or wear earrings. And that he didn't permit women to teach, that they should learn in silence. Do Catholics and JWs uphold the purity of these "inspired" rulings, or do they conveniently brush them aside as the musings of a good man?

  To hold the Bible as this literal guide and then to pick and choose which verses others should live by is dishonest, hypocritical, and cheap.
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  Another personal experience with current JW's

  by James_Slash in

  1. jw
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  i guess i am used to hearing the word "miserable" now with current jw's.. i have spoken to four within a week who all claim their existance with the wtbts is an unfulfilling one.. i had a friend many years ago who remains on the 'fringes' of the congregation.

  yet, now i am out whenever he gets the chance he tries to preach to me.

  yet, in the same breath he states how he enjoys going nightclubbing and holidays - with excessive amounts of alcohol (with all current jw's) and whilst away from the watchful eye of their parents, often meet (i won't say 'worldly' as that is a jw term - but) women who do not share the same beliefs that they claim to have yet they hold far much more in common then what they would care to know.

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  SisoNoSiso

  As a MS, I was constantly told that I had to quit playing certain games, watching certain movies, putting a halt to large gatherings, leaving certain sayings out of talks, etc. My reply was always the same. "Thanks for the advice, but it's my life. If you want to remove me, do it. But I make my decisions in these areas."

  They never removed me. But finally I saw the religion for what it was and walked away anyway.

  If you let these elders walk over you, they will. Simple as that. They only have the power that you give them.
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  Did you swear when you were a JW?

  by St George of England in

  1. watchtower
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  i have noticed that quite a few people here swear and use profanity.

  an elder once told me this is quite common in the congregations he has been in.

  i was raised in so never allowed to swear and never got into the habit.

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  The first time I ever heard a JW cuss was an old-timer, a farmer, who uttered something about a fellow elder who "was a sonofabitch". My jaw dropped. I was 15. From then on, I grew closer to the old coot than I did any other brother his age.

  Myself, I didn't use the words until I was in my 20s and then it felt like I was hurting the Big Guy upstairs. Now, my wife and both let 'em fly when the situation earns it. We don't see it (or anything else really) as a salvation issue.
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  New Terminology

  by SisoNoSiso in

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  i've heard that "return visit" has been replaced with another term.

  is this true?

  if so, what is it?.

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  SisoNoSiso

  Yep, remember 'em well. That's why I thought it was so funny now they had changed the name again. Even if they haven't yet, give them time. They'll find a reason to demonise anything.
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  As a JW, Did You Pray & Study With Your Spouse?

  by mentallyfree31 in

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  when you were a jw, did you pray regularly with your spouse?

  what about a "family study"?.

  i was a pioneer and ministerial servant, but praying with somebody was always the most awkward, uncomfortable thing ever.

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  SisoNoSiso

  Never studied but prayed at most meals. Now that we're gone from the cult, the obligatory meal-prayer is gone with it. Now, we pray when we damn well please.

  But we read a whole lot more than we ever did as JWs.
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  New Terminology

  by SisoNoSiso in

  1. jw
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  i've heard that "return visit" has been replaced with another term.

  is this true?

  if so, what is it?.

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  SisoNoSiso

  I am new. Thanks for the encouragement and I'll try to figure this thing out before I post next time. So far, I like what I see here. Great arguments and from many perspectives, all generally from those like me who were inside the WT for a fair stretch of time.
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  New Terminology

  by SisoNoSiso in

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  2. experiences

  i've heard that "return visit" has been replaced with another term.

  is this true?

  if so, what is it?.

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  SisoNoSiso

  Didn't mean to ruffle feathers with the question. Looks like I hit a nerve. I looked back at the original time I posted and I didn't notice any response directed to me.

  As far as asking questions that could easily be verified by asking JW family, mine is hardly the first time this has happened on this forum. In fact, I thought that was, in part anyway, the whole point of this site; to discuss things that are on our minds, hopefully with people who are less judgmental and who honestly want to help others.
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  New Terminology

  by SisoNoSiso in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've heard that "return visit" has been replaced with another term.

  is this true?

  if so, what is it?.

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  SisoNoSiso

  I've heard that "return visit" has been replaced with another term. Is this true? If so, what is it?
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  Placed 6 magazines this morning

  by stillajwexelder in

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  just thought i would let you all know, that as part of my ongoing theocratic warfare strategy i placed 6 magazines this morning.

  i will be recording about 20 on my time slip though

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  SisoNoSiso

  Not to hijack, but I heard that the term "return visits" has been replaced. Is this true?